Safe Stop

[Leon]

Thanks Wayne,

I really did not dream this stuff up. LOL.

[Swingman]

Hey, ya gotta be TOUGH in this 'hood! ;)

[Leon]

Ywah, it can be. Lots of us like to yank yank chains. ;~)

Please do stick around as we can use some input from the tool guys with knowledge of the products.

And now that I know that you are very familiar with the Unisaw, I can whole heartedly recommend you continue to consider it. There should be no surprises. If you would consider the little less traditional TS's take a look at the Laguna's also. They are in the PM66 and Saw Stop price range. Still the SawStop should prevent serious injury.

[Lew Hodgett]

So what is existing saw?

Lew

[Wayne J.]

I will stick around, thanks Leon.

I am not familiar with Laguna here in Canada, I will have to go see them at the next show.

I searched them on line and I like what I see so far.

They ship to Coguitlam BC at the end of each month for customer pick up. That isn't a stretch to go and pick one up if I order it.

wayne

[Leon]

I think he said an old Rockwell.

[Wayne J.]

9" Rockwell 6201B (made in Guelph Ontario, circa 1975). Good saw. Came with two extensions and round fence rails . The rails had the ability to be placed so that the extensions were all on one side or one on each side of the blade. Putting them all the way to the right gives you a 48" rip setting. It was the only saw up here that did that other then the Unisaw back then.

Problem is it only uses round rails, so I can't put a Beismeyer on it. (crud).

It is powered by a 220VAC 1.5 HP Marathon motor off of a AB paddle starter. The guts of the saw are identical to the 10" contractor saws. The cabinet, handwheels and top were different.

Wayne

[Frank Boettcher]

Not doubting what you say, however, has nothing to do with "quality problems" at Delta. Has a lot to do with "quality" problems with LTL shippers.

The established process was for the distributor to file a freight claim, return the unit, and receive another. All at Delta's cost. Why this was not done in the case you describe is beyond me. Most others just sent them back.

I've tried to fiind it and asked you to verify. Last time you posted for all to see that it was Charlie Self. If so, Charlie should corroborate. Now a respected poster may have said it, but I've told you many times it is simply not true, so the respected poster had to have been misled. If you could lead me to the source, maybe we could clear this up. Until then, I will continue to challenge your statement whenever you post it. I will not challenge your opinion of Delta, nor your choice of equipment, nor any recommendation you make to others, as long as no statements are made that I know to be not factual or not relevant today.

As one who lived through the entire ordeal of broken trunions from start to finish, I probably know more than anyone else about the issue.

You saw one six years ago. Problem was resolved shortly after that. I wonder why whenever anyone says they might buy a Delta you bring it up like it is a current problem. Look, you can have your opinion about what you prefer as can anyone, but it is disingenuous to continue to post about "quality problems" or "improper torque settings" over and over when it is not true.

Granted, however, absolutely nothing to do with your statements above.

Great, you evaluated and made an informed buying decision. That is everyone's right.

That (QC up to par with the competition) is your opinion and you have a right to express it, just please don't use untruthful statements or issues of another time that would not be relevant today to support that opinion. I would appreciate that.

Don't have a clue

It was. Package was ISTA certified (do you know what that is?) both before the problem started and was tested a number of additional times as the pack was modified. It never failed a truck vibration, inclined ramp, or straight drop test as requried to be ISTA certified. That's what caused so much delay. We couldn't figure out what was happening until we purposely started to try to destroy them. In essence bacame an LTL shipper to see if we could simulate the problem.

QC does not stop at the factory door. Perhaps equipment

The company is responsible for the product until delivery is accepted by the distributor and continues to be responsible for the product in some manner for its life. The factory manufacturing quality is part of that responsibility and had nothing to do with this problem.

[Frank Boettcher]

So Wayne, elaborate. When did you work for Delta, and in what capacity. What starter are you talking about. Where did you get your Unisaws. When you speak of later generation, what would you be talking about in time frame.

[Lew Hodgett]

Been there, neat town.

Sounds like you have at least 90% of a new saw already in place.

Time to spend some creative time on the thinking chair.

Couple of questions?

What is req'd to convert to accept a 10" blade?

Would you consider a UniFence?

If so, what would it take to fit a UniFence extrusion on the front of the saw?

Lew

[Wayne J.]

I have chewed on that one for years. I think it may be as simple as mounting the front rail using curved spaces that would fit in the groove that runs along the front of the table top. As for a 10" blade, the is not enough upwards clearance before it would hit the front or the back of the insert hole. I thought about making a different insert, but again, same issue.

the 9: has been great for the past 10 years, before that I had a 34-450C Unisaw with the 3 HP 220VAC (before they started adding all the other numbers to the models). I sold it when we moved as I didn't think I would need it anymore................silly silly silly............

My workshop would easily handle the saw as it is 12' x 20'. this way I can rip or cross cut a full 4'x8' piece without any effort.

No, it will be a new say. I just need to sell it to the boss

wayne\

[RonB]

Yeah - Go over to rec.outdoors.rv.travel and post a message with header "gun control". You don't need any words and your likely to goe 200 posts.

Not really - kidding.

(Kidding about actually doing it - not the # of posts) - It's like this place. Good folks but salty.

RonB

[Wayne J.]

Grizzly used to be available in Canada, but now they are not shippping to Canada. The good news is they have an outlet just across the border in Bellingham, Washington. That is very close. I will check out with Canadian Border Services to see if they are restricted for some reason. Probably CSA approval.

thks

[Wayne J.]

the ususal two that get the most action are: "why can't I bring my concealed hand guns in to Canada?" and anything that says one make of truck is better then another.

either is usually good for a few days.

[Larry Blanchard]

That's relatively new Wayne. Did you see my post about the Delta 1160 I bought at an estate sale?

[Mike Richardson]

Doug,

Deep breath in......

Your suggestions that people research before they ask a question here is fundamentaly flawed.

What makes you the sole arbiter of where one commences a search? Why is it correct that someone must search google before they use a newsgroup? Newsgroups pre-date Google by a looong way. What makes it correct that you can't come here until you have been there?????

Your position is based on YOUR view of the world, and which end of the chicken the bloody egg came out of.

My view is that there is NOTHING wrong with someone asking in a newsgroup a question that might have been asked a million times. Go to a pub, lean against the local bar, and ask "Who is that statue out there in memory of?" They don't all pipe in and say "Go to the Library mate - all the answers you need are there, now piss off "

I was importing the mail for Australia on a 1200/300 push button dial up link to California, long before the Internet became fashionable. (3:640/301,

820, 801, 802 and for a while 3:640/0 and /1. We had these same arguments back then - why dont you read the archives blah blah blah. Well - the WORLD is so big u see, that there are new people coming on board all the time - was true then, and is more true now - there are people every day STARTING at google, or STARTING on newsgroups, or STARTING with a text book. The residents of Google-land, Newsgroup land, and or the Library should not be pointing at some other source of the information and re-directing. If you don't want to provide the answer - shut up and let some one else do so. (I don't mean that to sound aggressive - it is not meant that way) There are plenty of people who will give an answer to a question that has been asked before, of someone else, by someone else at a different time. And If I have seen it before - I move on. Is easy. IS certainly easier than all this moaning of mine :-)

Your position is yours - I just object to you being so bloody minded about it - thats my position :-)

Have good day.

O, btw, Does anybody have any info on explosions caused by ungrounded dust collection systems?

Regards Mike (in flameproof suit) Brisbane Australia

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[Mike Richardson]

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LOL! :-) Mike.

[Upscale]

It may have been a flawed suggestion at one time, but considering the ease with which one can get most information these days, it makes complete sense to try to find the answer yourself first. Any experience at all on the internet teaches most people that it's essentially lazy for one not to try on their own first.

As well, it could be considered self-preservation. If the OP had posted something like, "I did a Google search but didn't come up with any information" then he'd have been much more well received. Of course, if he'd tried that line with the fact that he'd Googled Sawstop and found nothing, then he'd have been laughed out of town.

[Mike Richardson]

Upscale,

I must have mis-stated my point. My point is that this newsgroup IS a valid first point of reference for the question. I do not believe it is correct that you must first research ANOTHER source prior to asking here.

By that reasoning - when he searches on google he will first have to have tried somewhere else???

I simply can't agree that this newsgroup isn't as good a place as any other to start a search - it is after all a better gathering of expertise and wisdom than any other "repository" - albeit some of us haven't taken their supository some days...(yes - me included)

Please - do NOT confuse this point with my undoubted respect for the skill, knowledge and general good nature of wreck participants - I GREATLY value all contribution (even those that are wrong / opposite to mine...)

I think Google has masterminded some sort of cultural mindset retraining - perhaps even using nefarious chemicals, to position itself as the pre-eminant suppository. (repository?)

Personally - I find Google pops up as much bullshit as valuable information - and who says it is tru/accurate anyway? Far better to go to my local pub (newsgroup) and ask all the pissheads. Oops I mean wood-dorkers...

Now as a long term reader - I know a lot of threads have been flogged stupid, but the newbie doesn't - and has just as much right to make a newsgroup his first reference point as he does the communist manifesto or Google....

By denying them the right to address the denizens of the wreck unless it is a NEW question, or RESEARCHED question, removes one of the major benefits and purposes of the newsgroup to begin with....

My background just does NOT lend itself to thinking of the latecomer (google) as the best source of reference. I was emailing and newsgrouping back before zmodem, and it is just natural for me to feel that the better facts, skill-set, resources are available in newsgroups. As another point of view, some people when they fire up a pc, nerd-dom path, find newsgroups PRIOR to search engine technology and so on. (Oh - and I conceed the point thouroughly that some are just lazy - don't doubt that at all... - and that can grind - as I am sure it does on Doug, CW, JT et al. It grinds on me also...I try to clamp the mouth/fingers shut.)

I hope that better reflects my thoughts (yes at least 2 of em) on the subject... (smiles)

Anyway - don't stop contributing - you are on my highlight list - not my dissapear me list :-)

With the greatest of respect,

[Mike Richardson]

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Ah, but you see thats why the Wreck/ng's are simultaneously frustrating and marvellous. For some its "Mark Conversation as Read" for some it's "Ignore Conversation" and for some it is "Take bait and chew down hard". Me - I am guilty of em all....

Ups, I have no issue with you having a different opinion to me - I am just upset that you didn't answer my original question about grounding dust collection systems...

Huh? Wassat? The yellow one? Oh damn I took two blue ones. Grumble

Mike Brisbane Aus.