Wayne, let me give you a helpful answer. This is the result
line from an advanced google search on "sawstop":
Results 1 - 10 of 685 for "sawstop" group:rec.woodworking
Would you like for us to repeat all of the previous posts, or
just the ones that pertain to what you are asking? Wouldn't
it be easier just to look at the 685 previous posts on the
subject in this NG, then if there is something that has not
already been covered, you could ask about that?
Deep breath in......
Your suggestions that people research before they ask a question here is
What makes you the sole arbiter of where one commences a search? Why is
it correct that someone must search google before they use a newsgroup?
Newsgroups pre-date Google by a looong way. What makes it correct that you
can't come here until you have been there?????
Your position is based on YOUR view of the world, and which end of the
chicken the bloody egg came out of.
My view is that there is NOTHING wrong with someone asking in a
newsgroup a question that might have been asked a million times. Go to a
pub, lean against the local bar, and ask "Who is that statue out there in
memory of?" They don't all pipe in and say "Go to the Library mate - all the
answers you need are there, now piss off "
I was importing the mail for Australia on a 1200/300 push button dial up
link to California, long before the Internet became fashionable. (3:640/301,
820, 801, 802 and for a while 3:640/0 and /1. We had these same arguments
back then - why dont you read the archives blah blah blah. Well - the WORLD
is so big u see, that there are new people coming on board all the time -
was true then, and is more true now - there are people every day STARTING at
google, or STARTING on newsgroups, or STARTING with a text book. The
residents of Google-land, Newsgroup land, and or the Library should not be
pointing at some other source of the information and re-directing. If you
don't want to provide the answer - shut up and let some one else do so. (I
don't mean that to sound aggressive - it is not meant that way) There are
plenty of people who will give an answer to a question that has been asked
before, of someone else, by someone else at a different time. And If I have
seen it before - I move on. Is easy. IS certainly easier than all this
moaning of mine :-)
Your position is yours - I just object to you being so bloody minded
about it - thats my position :-)
Have good day.
O, btw, Does anybody have any info on explosions caused by ungrounded dust
Mike (in flameproof suit)
It may have been a flawed suggestion at one time, but considering the ease
with which one can get most information these days, it makes complete sense
to try to find the answer yourself first. Any experience at all on the
internet teaches most people that it's essentially lazy for one not to try
on their own first.
As well, it could be considered self-preservation. If the OP had posted
something like, "I did a Google search but didn't come up with any
information" then he'd have been much more well received. Of course, if he'd
tried that line with the fact that he'd Googled Sawstop and found nothing,
then he'd have been laughed out of town.
I must have mis-stated my point. My point is that this newsgroup IS a
valid first point of reference for the question. I do not believe it is
correct that you must first research ANOTHER source prior to asking here.
By that reasoning - when he searches on google he will first have to
have tried somewhere else???
I simply can't agree that this newsgroup isn't as good a place as any
other to start a search - it is after all a better gathering of expertise
and wisdom than any other "repository" - albeit some of us haven't taken
their supository some days...(yes - me included)
Please - do NOT confuse this point with my undoubted respect for the
skill, knowledge and general good nature of wreck participants - I GREATLY
value all contribution (even those that are wrong / opposite to mine...)
I think Google has masterminded some sort of cultural mindset
retraining - perhaps even using nefarious chemicals, to position itself as
the pre-eminant suppository. (repository?)
Personally - I find Google pops up as much bullshit as valuable
information - and who says it is tru/accurate anyway? Far better to go to
my local pub (newsgroup) and ask all the pissheads. Oops I mean
Now as a long term reader - I know a lot of threads have been flogged
stupid, but the newbie doesn't - and has just as much right to make a
newsgroup his first reference point as he does the communist manifesto or
By denying them the right to address the denizens of the wreck unless it
is a NEW question, or RESEARCHED question, removes one of the major benefits
and purposes of the newsgroup to begin with....
My background just does NOT lend itself to thinking of the latecomer
(google) as the best source of reference. I was emailing and newsgrouping
back before zmodem, and it is just natural for me to feel that the better
facts, skill-set, resources are available in newsgroups. As another point
of view, some people when they fire up a pc, nerd-dom path, find newsgroups
PRIOR to search engine technology and so on. (Oh - and I conceed the point
thouroughly that some are just lazy - don't doubt that at all... - and that
can grind - as I am sure it does on Doug, CW, JT et al. It grinds on me
also...I try to clamp the mouth/fingers shut.)
I hope that better reflects my thoughts (yes at least 2 of em) on the
Anyway - don't stop contributing - you are on my highlight list - not my
dissapear me list :-)
With the greatest of respect,
wrote in message
I guess we're just going to have to disagree then. As far as Google goes,
there's plenty of other online sources to get information, it doesn't have
to be Google at all. It's just that since most (many) consider it the
pre-eminent online search engine, it's the first name that pops into my mind
when I consider finding many types of information. I'm reasonably sure,
(much to your chagrin), that "google" has or will remain a fully recognized
word meaning the equivalent of "search engine" long after Google the company
has retired into the annals of history.
However, I digress in my argument. I'm old enough to have plenty of
experience in the time before internet when the quickest way to find
information was to ask someone. If that didn't work and you wanted to invest
the time, you went to find test on the subject. These methods are no longer
the quickest way to an answer. For simple questions, an online search is
easily the fastest method. Placing the question in a newsgroup means that
person has to wait for someone to respond. It's not nearly as fast and the
answer is much more subject to being "coloured" by the personality of the
I can only assume that someone who couldn't be bothered to put in a small
amount of time to get a quick answer feels that it's easier to use up
someone else's time to than use their own. These days, that just doesn't cut
it. I know that many feel as I do, that if you want information, then be
prepared to make at least a token effort to find the answer by yourself
first. At the very least, come forearmed with a little information you've
sourced out so you can contribute something on the subject or at least ask
intelligent questions as you mine the users here for information.
I'm sure some will consider my opinion to be utter garbage, but if I or
someone else can't deal with that sentiment, then is not a place you want to
be. Many might consider this discussion the making of a mountain out of a
molehill, but the bulk of the messages in any newsgroup is discussion like
Ok, I'm off my soapbox. It's someone else's turn. :)
Ah, but you see thats why the Wreck/ng's are simultaneously frustrating and
marvellous. For some its "Mark Conversation as Read" for some it's "Ignore
Conversation" and for some it is "Take bait and chew down hard". Me - I am
guilty of em all....
Ups, I have no issue with you having a different opinion to me - I am just
upset that you didn't answer my original question about grounding dust
Huh? Wassat? The yellow one? Oh damn I took two blue ones. Grumble
What makes you think that I'm attempting to set myself up as "the sole
arbiter of where one commences a search"? Get a grip, Mike, all I did
was suggest that since the SawStop has already been discussed here
numerous times, he should check Google Groups to see what's already been
Again -- if he wants opinions on the SawStop, the easiest way of finding
them is to look at the opinions that have already been expressed.
And where did I tell him anything even remotely like "all the answers
you need are there, now piss off"??
Relax, have a cold beer, and calm down.
Mate, I am relaxed. I went to some length to mention a number of times
my respect for the group and posters - and I did not intend at all that you
take my blathering as a personal attack. It was an attack of the concept.
I unreservedly apologise if it came across otherwise.
Wayne, don't give up too soon. I'm a new woodworker (maybe not in years, but
in number of hours spent on it as a hobby) and I've received way more advice
from this group than I could ever hope to contribute in return.
There are some who can be abrupt in their response, but keep in mind that in
a newsgroup nobody owes you an answer. If someone takes the time to type out
a response to your question, that's an act of generosity.
Plus, I think if you look back at your three questions, they truly have been
answered in previous discussions. That's why so many people just respond
with "Do a Google News search".
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