Here we go again...
SawStop has been discussed _to_death_ on this newsgroup. Please do a Google
Groups search to find the previous discussions (and there have been MANY). If,
after reading all that, you still have any questions, then come back with
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
As does Woodcraft. And the safety feature was tested (inadvertently) by a
student in one of our classes - worked great, only a bandaid was needed.
They're getting very popular with commercial sites and schools. A local large
cabinet shop has 15-20 of them and claims to have already saved several
It's turtles, all the way down
Wayne, no need to apologize.
The question has come up many times, so most people will just ignore you
since you could have found out the information by googling if you really
wanted to know.
Others like to be helpful and will respond because they enjoy it.
And then there is Doug... He has nothing better to do than respond, but
instead of being helpful, he is nasty. I don't even like to think about
what he is compensating for.
I have been away for a couple of years due to illness. I am now getting back
in to woodworking.
Believe it or not, this is the first I have heard of this saw. I have been
researching it as my old Rockwell cabinet saw has about had it. My
preference would be a Unisaw, but this is really getting my interest.
thks for the help
Eight to ten years and farther back the Unisaw would have been a good
choice. Since then it simply is not what it usta be. Delta was having QC
problems with the saw and their have been many reports of new Unisaws
arriving with broken trunions. For a while Delta blamed the shipping
company. Either way, Jet, Grizzly and Powermatic would probably be equal
or better alternatives. FIY.
The SawStop is probably be a better alternative but will cost more. The
SawStop has been around for 5 or 6 years and has been in production and for
sale for 2 or 3 years. "Some" early models were exhibiting false triggers
however those that reported this have also indicated that the SawStop people
worked with them to resolve the problem. One of the problems was that a one
of the users in a shop of users caused false triggers because of the
electronic watch that he was wearing IIRC. Apparently some type of diode
was added to the electrical circuit to solve the problem, IIRC it was also
reported by the same owner that the saw triggered again with the same user
but this time it saved a trip to the hospital.
One of the most common questions about the saw concerning the ability to
trigger is if the saw will trigger with the power off. What if the
electricity goes off and the lights go out while sawing? Apparently the saw
still has the ability to trigger if the power is lost or if you turn the
power swath off and the blade is still spinning.
According to Frank B., and everything I've seen myself backs him up, any
"UniSaw, pre 2003, and with the marathon motor", and you will be getting
what us old-timer's would expect when buying a "UniSaw".
Leon has a point. When I worked at Delta, we had two common failurs in the
older unisaws, trunions and starters. The starters we used in Canada were
prone to failure on the contact points. The trunions coould just macigally
snap. We used to believe it was QC. The later generaion ones were better.
Still my favorite, but the SawStop is getting my attention. I still have all
10 fingers, but I have had my share of scares.
So Wayne, elaborate. When did you work for Delta, and in what
capacity. What starter are you talking about. Where did you get
your Unisaws. When you speak of later generation, what would you be
talking about in time frame.
Not true. Quote your source. We've been through this before, twice.
and their have been many reports of new Unisaws
True, quite some time ago. Any damaged units were replaced under
warranty. Most discovered at the distributor, did not go to the
customer. Has nothing to do with the quality of a unit delivered in
For a while Delta blamed the shipping
For very good reason. Trunions were breaking from a specific tip over
which generally happened on shipping docks during LTL shipment.
Either way, Jet, Grizzly and Powermatic would probably be equal
Today's Unisaw is equal in design to any Unisaw going back to the mid
eighties. What has changed is the location of assembly, the fact that
some of the machined grey iron is from the orient and the fact that
the motor is WEG from Brazil. Because of this I would prefer a
pre-2003 unit, however, I wouldn't say that the WEG motor is less
powerful, efficient, or reliable than the Chinese motors used on most
imported saws. I would simply prefer Marathon. And of course PM66 is
excepted, not in the same class with say, Grizzzly and by design
different type of trunion/yoke assembly
Texas Tool Traders. They told me this when I was compairing a Unisaw to a
Jet. The Unisaw sat on the show room floor with a broken trunion. A Delta
rep e-mailed me direct concerning this issue in so much that Texas Tool
traders could not repair the saw because of a trunion BO status. The rep
assured me that he would look into resolving the matter.
The broken trunion on the saw that I saw was about 6 years ago.
Frank normally I would agree. But, how is it that the brand saw that
arrives damaged is the Delta Unisaw? I read on this news group from a
respected poster that Delta later admitted that the trunions were being
improperly torqued. A DAGS should show you that comment if you are
Regardless, if a particular brand tool is having a problem with
transportation or manufacturing, that is a QC problem and it is that brands
problem until the problem is resolved.
To be fair, there have been many reports of Grizzlys being delivered tipped
over and up side down. Oddly many reportedly had only superficial damage.
Perhaps Delta would not be in the shape it is in today had corporate greed
not entered into the equasion and continued to deliver a compeditive quality
I really have nothing to gain one way or the other concerning the problems
Delta is having or has had. I own and have owned a few Delta tools and
strongly considered the Unisaw to be my first choice when buying 6 or 7
years ago but then I went to the local dealer and listened to his comments,
the reps comments, and the posts on this group, and then directly compared
the Unisaw to the Jet cabinet saw, well you get the picture.
I am not saying that the Unisaw is a bad choice, again I am only saying that
the Unisaw is not what it used to be and the QC has not been up to par with
Why were the other brand saws not being tipped over like the Deltas? Was
Delta being targeted?
This went on for a few years IIRC. Why was packageing not improved to
prevent this? QC does not stop at the factory door. Perhaps equipment
built to withstand a boat ride holds up better on the docks.
Not doubting what you say, however, has nothing to do with "quality
problems" at Delta. Has a lot to do with "quality" problems with LTL
The established process was for the distributor to file a freight
claim, return the unit, and receive another. All at Delta's cost.
Why this was not done in the case you describe is beyond me. Most
others just sent them back.
I've tried to fiind it and asked you to verify. Last time you posted
for all to see that it was Charlie Self. If so, Charlie should
corroborate. Now a respected poster may have said it, but I've told
you many times it is simply not true, so the respected poster had to
have been misled. If you could lead me to the source, maybe we could
clear this up. Until then, I will continue to challenge your statement
whenever you post it. I will not challenge your opinion of Delta, nor
your choice of equipment, nor any recommendation you make to others,
as long as no statements are made that I know to be not factual or not
As one who lived through the entire ordeal of broken trunions from
start to finish, I probably know more than anyone else about the
You saw one six years ago. Problem was resolved shortly after that. I
wonder why whenever anyone says they might buy a Delta you bring it up
like it is a current problem. Look, you can have your opinion about
what you prefer as can anyone, but it is disingenuous to continue to
post about "quality problems" or "improper torque settings" over and
over when it is not true.
Granted, however, absolutely nothing to do with your statements above.
Great, you evaluated and made an informed buying decision. That is
That (QC up to par with the competition) is your opinion and you have
a right to express it, just please don't use untruthful statements or
issues of another time that would not be relevant today to support
that opinion. I would appreciate that.
Don't have a clue
It was. Package was ISTA certified (do you know what that is?) both
before the problem started and was tested a number of additional
times as the pack was modified. It never failed a truck vibration,
inclined ramp, or straight drop test as requried to be ISTA certified.
That's what caused so much delay. We couldn't figure out what was
happening until we purposely started to try to destroy them. In
essence bacame an LTL shipper to see if we could simulate the problem.
QC does not stop at the factory door. Perhaps equipment
The company is responsible for the product until delivery is accepted
by the distributor and continues to be responsible for the product in
some manner for its life. The factory manufacturing quality is part
of that responsibility and had nothing to do with this problem.
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