REQ: New Yankee Workshop Deluxe Router Station Plans

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Hi, Could some kind person email a complete set of plans to build Norm's router station.
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TIA
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why don't you try paying for them at the new yankee website?
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wrote:

You can buy them from Norm. Why would you think someone here who has bought them, would help you steal them?
Oh, and when you post in HTML it makes your messages hard to read amongst all the control characters and such.

See what I mean?

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Hi,
I've been using the internet for 15+ years and over those years the web has been taken over by selfish individuals. The spirit of the internet is to freely share information. When you have finished with an item you post it for others to share. I suppose it is to be expected that has more and more people use the medium commercialism moves in. I will try other boards of which thankfully there are many.
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Whatever hippy ideal you are babbling about, it is called stealing. If you can fins some theives to hang out with, fine.
Just don't give us the nostalgia and morality speech.
It is repugnant.
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Where I work, I actually had a 20 something kid (who had kids of his own, believe it or not), tell me that, because businesses screw their customers everyday, that it is not only okay, but morally justified to steal from all business everyday. He bragged on the fact that he had found a site online that gave him passwords and ID's for AOL, and hadn't paid for internet service for that past couple of years. I told him that, if his parents weren't ashamed of him, then they were pretty despicable, too.
To be proud that you are stealing...........sorry, I was raised better than that.

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Can you spell COPYRIGHT?
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SeeAll says...

It is a copyright violation and disrespectful to a person we like to support. I will concede the plans are over priced, as are most plans, and why I don't buy them.
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Hi All,
Just to let the selfish members know some kind person, or hippy, has very kindly emailed a copy of his plans. Sharing still does exist.
Thanks
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Correction. Theft still exists.

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Maybe not. Maybe the person who e-mailed the plans then deleted them from his own computer and destroyed any hardcopies thereof. Maybe.
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When you get done building your new router table I'm thinking of stopping by your house and loading it onto my truck. You won't mind, will you?
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SeeAll wrote:

I started using computers in the late '60s, as have many on this NG, so please don't give me any stuff about your bona fides. Freeware is a wonderful thing as is shareware. If a person decides to copyleft their publications, that's one thing, if it's copywritten, however, that's a different thing. Stealing is an entirely subject and can not be excused by bleating about the ways of the net. If you truly don't understand the difference, go steal a copy from a store and see if they can explain it to you. \disgust mode off
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Not many of you give things much thought. You can see that this guy wants something for nothing, which he does. On the other hand, should the Federal Government have the Right to stop anyone from sharing something you no longer need. Think about the full consequences, they now copyright words and phrases, the limit to ownership is limitless and the enforcement thereof limitless.......... Even having a yard sale families can be prosecuted. I agree that abuses are rampant, but it isn't the blame. Currently the movie industry is crying the blues blaming the internet (not DVD rentals) for it's losses, and they haven't produced a movie of any quality, 98 percent have been horrible, but they can advertise out the ass and buyer beware! Well how about they be beware also. Things that have short life spans movies, music and software should not have the same ownership rights as that of a classic piece of art. You can buy an application today tomorrow they're out of business or have been bought out, no more support and then they release a new version rendering the one you bought obsolete and incompatible and 3 months later you have to buy it again. If they want copyright privileges, then they should be held responsible for providing owners with specific product upgrades and support for the life of the product.....

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HMFIC-1369 wrote:

If you no longer need it, there's absolutely nothing preventing you from <giving> it to anyone else (or even selling it). What is proscribed is making copies for the express purpose of evading copyright protection...
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Duane Bozarth wrote:

Actually, it depends of the terms of the original purchase agreement.
When I bought a set of plans to build my boat, I received a license to build ONE (1) boat.
If I wanted to build several boats, or sell the plans, or give away the plans when I'm done with them, that is another matter.
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Lew Hodgett wrote:

That is a contractual stipulation added in addition too (and probably in place of) a simple copyright. AFAIK, there are no such stipulations made on the Abrams plans other than they are copyright material.
It does indeed, depend on the existence of any additional strictures--I never said it couldn't...
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That's not correct! It has nothing to do with the evasion of copyright protection. If you have licensed software, you are prohibited from giving it away even if you no longer need it. If I gave you my copy of XP when I installed Linux, I broke the law. Over all though it has only to do with making a copy.. copy-right. You buy one item and make a "copy" that violates the law.

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HMFIC-1369 wrote:

We are not talking of software licensing agreements here...they're not copyrights.
We're talking about a simple copyright on a document.
It is perfectly ok to take and give away your book after you read it--it is also perfectly ok to resell it to someone else after your done. It is <not> ok to make a copy and give that to someone else or resell the copy.
Same thing here---

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Ownership is Ownership regardless of Product, Pretty much everything is copyrighted software and everything else. I'd say that if you purchase a schematic or plans they to will include an agreement thet further protects them. Certainly allow me to build one, but not 10....either to sell or give away! As for books themselves let say you purchased the book, and you mother is blind it would most certainly be illegal for you to transpose it to braille or audio even though no such media exsists for that book. Or even say for it's own protection that this book is one of a kind and no longer in print,

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