Re: CFV: rec.woodworking.all-ages

[Dave Hinz]

Care to say which points you feel fit that category? I'd still like to hear from the proponents. Where are they?

[Dave Hinz]

Yes, and it's unmoderated. There's no way to enforce it, just like there's no way to enforce the "no bad language" rules.

I find it interseting that the examples they gave of "bad language" in the Wreck were mostly a result of our troll infestation. I can't help but think that the trolls might be _attracted to_ their unmoderated nicy-nice group rather than honor their request to stay away. The people who cause trouble like that look for easy targets, and respect isn't something they have.

[Woodchuck Bill]

Dave Hinz wrote in news:2sfu52F1k4203U1@uni- berlin.de:

Nothing I remember well enough to quote off the top of my head. I'm not going to pluck the spool. I suppose I can understand why some people would be uncomfortable with the proposal, so I'm not going to make a big deal out of it.

They posted a bit to the thread in news.groups, but I haven't seen them post here. I suppose it has something to do with Vito being so sensitive. ;-)

[Dave Hinz]

I think that if Vito expects people to support his viewpoint, Vito owes them his presence and some participation, explaining to them why they should support him.

[Woodchuck Bill]

Dave Hinz wrote in news:2sfvpaF1k4203U8@uni- berlin.de:

Do you think the proposal is doomed to failure?

[Dave Hinz]

No, the proposal may pass. But if Vito's lack of concern in explaining his proposal is any indication, the _group_ is doomed to failure. He doesn't even care enough to come here and talk about why it's a good idea, but we're expected to think he'll be more active after he gets his group?

[Woodchuck Bill]

Dave Hinz wrote in news:2sg4i8F1j9t3fU1@uni- berlin.de:

You may have a point, but there is no requirement for him to post anything to the new group if it passes. A "yes" vote usually means "I will read the group", but it does not always mean "I will post to the group". Lurkers are allowed to vote, and they are also allowed to be proponents.

If they stayed with a moderated proposal, that would have been a totally different story.

Also keep in mind that there were two other woodworking/turning groups in the distribution list besides the wreck, and there will probably be voters from those groups too. Who knows what the outcome will be. I've seen some lousy proposals unexpectedly pass.

[Michael Houghton]

Howdy!

In article , Dave Balderstone wrote: [snip]

"appear"? They have failed to respond to politely phrased questions not set in an otherwise insulting context. Ok, maybe they are passively avoiding...

Worse, creating that new group would create confusion as to which of the two groups one should place a particular post in. This is directly contrary to the reason for standing up a new big-eight group.

[snip]

"What he said."

yours, Michael