Re: RESULT: rec.woodworking.all-ages passes 283:93

Interesting perusing the list of those voting for it -- Man in the Doorway?

"Alan Bierbaum" wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@comcast.com:

We may never know. Voters are only expected to read the group..not necessarily to post to it.

I'm not. The current voting process is a sham.

I can write a script that will cast 500 yes, and 500 no votes for every CFV posted from legitimate email address (in that the ACK won't bounce). They will all be real votes under the current system.

It's very tempting.

And we all look forward to their first post.

The voting procedure for new groups is a farce. Once you accept that, it all comes into a meaningless focus.

I really wish Vido had the balls to stick with the moderated proposal. But he wussed out, like so many cowards... unable to defend what he thought he believed in. Now he can live with his choice.

Charlie Delf?

Barry

Absolutely. Since usenet is not a centralized database, there is no governing body, just self-appointed gods, [snicker]. It's quite funny.

April 1st late this year?

They won't, it'll just noise up the namespace and confuse people looking for discussion. Ah well.

Dave Hinz wrote in news:2tsni3F2225qjU2@uni- berlin.de:

Now they're planning to propose more new woodworking groups, and a reorganization of rec.woodworking.

And given the farce that the voting procedure has been allowed to deteriorate to, they'll quite possibly succeed.

Pity.

Dave Balderstone wrote in news:221020041015443953%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca:

The system hasn't changed much in 15 years or so, with the exception of banning the changing of groups from unmoderated to moderated.

I didn't vote because it IS a free country and they have the right to start a news group. If they try to alter rec.woodworking, I will definitely vote, and solicit opposing votes from as many people as I can find.

Bob

That's quite apparent.

Dave Balderstone wrote in news:221020041121592471%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca:

You're an *official* news.groupie now, Dave. (IIRC you called yourself a "junior" member or something like that) They are generally a good group of people, but they're very opposed to any kind of changes to the current system. Both of us have made some very constructive suggestions in recent weeks, and almost nothing has come of it.

You're quite wrong. I've come to the conclusion that news.groups is a complete waste of bandwidth.

Dave Balderstone wrote in news:221020041143470954%dave@N_O_T_T_H_I_S.balderstone.ca:

Sorry. It is a bit difficult to keep track of your status there. ;-)

At one point, you did refer to yourself as a "news.groups newbie".

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I don't mean to patronize you. I kinda wish you'd stick around a bit longer and help fix things down there.

You should see the antics of UK Control

The Parish Council, run riot....

Andy Dingley wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

At least the UK hierarchy has a verifiable vote-ack system to prevent forgeries of e-mail addresses. The Big-8 needs this..like YESTERDAY.

I've never thought you were patronizing, Bill. Certainly not in this thread.

I simply don't believe that things will be fixed, regardless of who participates in the discussion.

Given what's considered to be a valid vote, I think it's hopeless.