OT: Colbert Explains Hannity's "Liberty Tree" Video

[Lew Hodgett]

As in with every breath you take.

Lew

[Lew Hodgett]

wrote: ==================================== He went on to get seven patents for devices still used today in both blast furnaces and coke ovens. ====================================

Having spent some time in the steel mills of this country, including coke plants (If God ever decides to give the world an enema, he stick the hose in a coke plant) and blast furnaces, just curious what devices did your father get patented.

BTW, are there any basic mills still in operation these days?

Lew

[todd]

correlation.

todd

[Charlie Self]

41289$ [e-mail]...

True. I don't know if anyone has challenged any of them to debates, but from the "talks" that I've seen, the primary answer from all but Gingrich is to get in the responder's face, scream and spray spit. Why on earth would you try to debate someone like that? Kick them in the nuts, yes. Debate, no.

And I'd prefer not to be included in the "we" that considers Limbaugh, Hanritty and O'Reilly as some of the smartest and wisest students of politics.

[Tom Watson]

We should not bother to send our children to college?

Regards,

Tom Watson

[busbus]

that I took as meaning people who go to college are smarter and have more common sense than those people who don't. That ain't necessarily true. I have met some absolutely brilliant people during my IT career who are, at the same time, dumb as a stump--one guy, and I am serious, couldn't tie his shoes, but if you let him loose to work on the internals of an IMS database like nobody else people around him have ever seen. He could do what nobody else could ever imagine (of course, it helped that he worked at IBM as a designer of IMS). His biggest problem was that all he oculd do was work on the internals of an IMS database.

By all means, send your children to college but make sure they don't get sucked into thinking so high that they start to develop circular reasoning and then end up not functioning in this world. Like I said, I have a couple cousins who fall into that boat.

[busbus]

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Lew,

My father did not like to talk about those achievements. I think he was secretly pissed off that even though he received patents for the things he designed, they were the property of Koppers, Inc and he never got much because of them beside a nice dinner and an award. No monetary kickbacks at all. During his tenture there, he saw people pass him up financally and professionally simply because they had the college degree that always eluded him.

His family did not have any money at all to send him to college back inthe early-50's and his father was dying of cancer, so he just plodded away helping them as much as he could. He got married, had five kids, lost two, and toiled all day at work and came home to tend

20 acres where he supplemented his income by growing fruit and vegetables to sell. He neither had the time nor the money to continue college but that was life.

All I know is he invented the rail and cart mechanisim that dumped the coal and whatnot into a coke oven but that is all I really know because, like I said, he never talked about it. And I can't ask him about it because he died ten years ago and didn't even want to talk about it then. All I know is my mother has seven plastic cubes with old silver dollars in them with a plaque that more-or-less says "In Recognition Of Work Performed..."

I wish I could say more than that.

Whenever I left USX in 1999, the Fairless Works was still pouring molten steel from ladles but I think that plant has since closed. The closest plant I know of is the USS Gary Works but it is not so basic anymore.

[busbus]

If India and China and Russia produce capable, college-educated people who are willing to work for 1/10th of what we need to survive on in this country, is college really worth it here? Education costs are rising incredibly fast but the payoff isn't there anymore.

I am not saying we should not have our kids go to college; I am using the aforementioned circular reasoning to ask if it truly is worth it financially speaking?

I guess I am saying something needs to be done to right the ship because medium and large companies scour the earth now for slave labor it seems. Plus the huge deficits that were started by the last Administration and continued even worse with the current one makes me extremely fearful for my children and grandchildren and even further.

[Upscale]

Yeah, or else they may end up as obscenely overpaid CEO's who walk around

100% of the time an attitude of entitlement, but contribute nothing else.

Alternatively, they may end up like Tim Daneliuk who is highly intelligent, but contributes nothing, gives nothing back and spends his whole day whining about how the system is costing him.

[Drew Lawson]

FYI, I think you are misreading/misinterpreting that line. It isn't: Discussion subject changed to "Colbert Explains Hannity's "Liberty Tree" Video by Steve Turner" but Discussion subject changed to "Colbert Explains Hannity's "Liberty Tree" Video" by Steve Turner

Steve's post dropped the "OT" from the subject line, making it the current, slightly shorter, subject. Someone posted a while back about why some posting software does that, but I forget the details.

[Tom Watson]

"And I'm too sexy for your party Too sexy for your party No way I'm disco dancing..."

Regards,

Tom Watson

[Lew Hodgett]

==================================== Whenever I left USX in 1999, the Fairless Works was still pouring molten steel from ladles but I think that plant has since closed. The closest plant I know of is the USS Gary Works but it is not so basic anymore. ==================================

The last blast furnace in Cleveland was dismantled in 2004-2005 time frame and had been out of service prior to that for some time.

Lew

[Tom Watson]

Have some respect.

That was the text of Arlen Spectre's resignation note to the head of the RNC.

Regards,

Tom Watson

[Upscale]

How about some break dancing? :)

[Jack Stein]

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Yabut you are saying it to idiots like your two cousins. Men like your father don't need it said.

[busbus]

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I am curious again, so I will try to ask my mother. Thing is, she went to all those dinners and never knew what they were talking about. I grew up in the era where if the old man didn't want to talk about something, you sure as hell didn't ask. I ventured the question a couple times over the years but I was met with eriee silence each time. Who knows? Maybe she has some documents someplace. I think I recal asking her about this after she moved out of the house after my dad died and she said she had no clue and if there were any documents, she had no clue as to where they would be.

I remember him gong to Cleveland a lot in the late-60's early-70's.

[busbus]

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Thanks to Old Man Scalon, I got a link to search patents in Google and I have found some. His name was Ray Kinzler and he worked at Koppers in the 60s and 70s. I found many more than seven...now I wonder which ones he got those seven awards for? I may need to see the dates on them and match them to the dates on these patents.

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[Lew Hodgett]

============================= I remember him gong to Cleveland a lot in the late-60's early-70's. =================================

At that point in time USX was gone; however, Republic was on one side of the river, J&L (Later to become LTV) was on the other.

Not sure what is left today.

Haven't sailed on Lake Erie in 20 years, so don't have a clue if any of the ore boat fleets are left, but without an integrated mill to feed, there is little need for ore to be brought down from the U/P, thus little need for ore boats.

Lew .

[Lew Hodgett]

==================================== His name was Ray Kinzler and he worked at Koppers in the 60s and 70s. ==================================

My dad worked for Koppers for a short time in Orrville, OH, also home of Smuckers.

As I remember that was where they made the "sheep dip" to treat the bottom of wooden poles.

Nasty stuff, but that was long before EPA.

Lew

[evodawg]

Looks like your dad was a very talented individual. Very impressive diagrams! It is to bad he didn't benefit fully from his vision.