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Lew ----------------------------------------------- Wasp Spray
A friend who is a receptionist in a church in a high risk area was concerned about someone coming into the office on Monday to rob them when they were counting the collection.
She asked the local police department about using pepper spray and they recommended to her that she get a can of wasp spray instead.
The wasp spray, they told her, can shoot up to twenty feet away and is a lot more accurate, while with the pepper spray, they have to get too close to you and they could overpower you.
The wasp spray temporarily blinds an attacker until they get to the hospital for an antidote.
She keeps a can on her desk in the office and it doesn't attract attention from people like a can of pepper spray would.
She also keeps one nearby at home for home protection.
Thought this was interesting and might be of use.
On the heels of a break in and beating that left an elderly woman in Toledo dead, self-defense experts have a tip that could save your life.
Val Glinka teaches self-defense to students at Sylvania Southview High School.
For decades, he's suggested putting a can of wasp and hornet spray near your door or bed.
Glinka says, "This is better than anything I can teach them."
Glinka considers it inexpensive, easy to find, and more effective than mace or pepper spray.
The cans typically shoot 20 to 30 feet; so if someone tries to break into your home, Glinka says "Spray the culprit in the eyes".
It's a tip he's given to students for decades.
It's also one he wants everyone to hear.
If you're looking for protection, Glinka says look to the spray.
"That's going to give you a chance to call the police, maybe get out."
Maybe even save a life.
Might want to share this with all the people in your life.
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Good idea, but unlike the wasps the recipient may still be on its feed and angry. Best have a plan on what to do next. At home it would be grab the shotgun.
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Most insecticides are chemical variants of military nerve agents, and work by interfering with neurotransmitters. Wasp spray has a good chance of working, so long as you don't care about any possible long term toxic effects.
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Father Haskell wrote:

Most wasp spray is based on a pyrethroid of one kind or another. In general pyrethroids have very low toxicity to humans--some are approved for treating clothing to provide insect protection. The real knockdown power isn't in the insecticide anyway, it's the mineral spirits--squirt a wasp with WD-40 and it drops just as fast and doesn't usually get back up.
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"J. Clarke" wrote

AHA!!!
A wood dorker has discovered the next, new self defense spray.
<drum roll> WD-40!!
Available at any hardware or big box store!
And you will never get busted for carrying a concealed weapon!
(Where is Billy Mays when you need him?)
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On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 17:00:26 -0500, "J. Clarke"

Cheap hair spray works pretty well on wasps too, but for a different reason (glues their wings together). It doesn't shoot 20' though.
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Depends where you're buying. Supermarket grade insecticides are pyrethrin or permethrin, regardless of target species. Great, because they're near idiot proof and hence less likely to draw a lawsuit. Wide spectrum, they kill everything on six legs, just not any particular species very well (maybe beneficial hymenoptera), with the synthetic permethrins marginally more effective.
What was in the wasp spray 30 years ago? Worked damned near as quick as nuking them.

Chemcal potentiators are almost always included. Straight pyrethrins are more like a temporary anaesthetic. Potentiators are the coup de gras.
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No doubt! In fact, probably works faster/better on ppl than on real wasps.
nb
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The resulting lawsuit will hurt you a lot more than you hurt the attacker.
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On Dec 18, 12:20pm, snipped-for-privacy@dog.com wrote:

That's why you need the proper application of a shotgun too. Living in a state that has accepted the Castle Doctrine helps.
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On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:41:31 -0800 (PST), " snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com"

The castle doctrine doesn't protect you from lawsuits, or from violation of federal law. Spraying someone with bug spray is a violation of federal law, and is also illegal in many localities.
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On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 13:48:33 -0500, snipped-for-privacy@dog.com wrote:

Then they can relase the perp and tell him to try again. My second line of defense is loaded with 6 rounds and will probably do more harm to the perp than any insect spray...
John
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On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:18:41 -0500, snipped-for-privacy@jecarter.us wrote:

Many people don't realize that "Castle Doctrine" isn't always a license to do whatever you please with impunity. In fact, it actually imposes some restrictions that wouldn't be there without it. It also varies from place to place. The Castle Doctrine in two different states may be very different. In most states, it does not allow for more than "reasonable force" to be used. If you could stop somebody by shooting them in the leg, you might find yourself in deep trouble of you decide it's more fun to shoot them in the head.
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snipped-for-privacy@dog.com wrote:

I don't think that you'll find that any statute anywhere in the US requires you to shoot someone in the leg rather than the head. If you shoot at all it's lethal force and when you put the police marksmanship instructor on the stand he'll tell the court after you gave the guy two in the chest and one in the head that you did exactly what police officers are trained to do.
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On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:03:02 -0500, "J. Clarke"

Keep dreaming, if it makes you feel better.
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snipped-for-privacy@dog.com wrote:

OK, produce such a statute.
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snipped-for-privacy@dog.com wrote:

Okay, I'll simplify: There is NO legal difference between shooting someone in the foot or in the head, assuming that the subject lived or died in each instance.
If the shooting is not justified, the shooter is guilty of either murder or assault with a deadly weapon. The location of the bullet hole has no bearing on the criminal charges.
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wrote:

If you are talking about the stupid or the mentally defective, you are quite correct.
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wrote:

Which, of course, depends on one's skill. Lack of skill being an obvious defense for putting three somewhere in the trunk and two in the floor - or ceiling if you have basement pipes you might hit.
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snipped-for-privacy@dog.com wrote:

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That statement is flat out wrong. First of all, once you have been place in a situation where deadly force is necessary, the idea that choosing area of the perp to hit is ludicrous. The person placed in such a situation is going to be aiming for center of mass -- adrenalin and stress aren't going to provide the luxury of calmly selected shot placement. Therefore, no determination of whether the aggrieved homeowner should have aimed to shoot the perp in the leg vs. killing the perp is going to be assessed.
However, the over-riding guidance is that the justification is "shoot to stop". It is legal to fire multiple rounds until the perp falls over and stops his aggression. It is NOT legal to fire multiple rounds, have the perp fall over then walk up to him and shoot him again -- that's murder, and will be prosecuted. [Source: course content -- AZ CCW course]
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There is never a situation where having more rounds is a disadvantage

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