These drill bits are worth the money from Aldi.

[Doki]

Some Lidl and Aldi stuff is excellent (some of the cheap weekly bits and bobs, biscuits & chocolate, german sausages etc.). Some of it is s**te.

[Mary Fisher]

Class conscious Brits?

Mary

[Mary Fisher]

That's a shame because many German standards for food especially are higher than ours.

Mary

[Mary Fisher]

You know what s**te tastes like then?

[The Medway Handyman]

All that proves is that Aldi, Lidl & Edeka all sold oils that were heat treated after pressing so it didn't qualify under EU Standards as Extra Virgin Olive Oil. Der Feinschmecker Magazine obviously have an axe to grind.

Since three independent chains were involved it seems more likely to me that their suppliers may have misinformed them.

None were prosecuted as a result. It doesn't prove that everything they sell is crap, it proves they made one mistake. Cadburys made a mistake a while ago, that doesn't prove all their products are crap either.

[<me9]

Sainsbury Tesco and Asda never have a full range in either, if anything isn't selling well they ditch it for amnother rip-off item. I was in Tescos yesterday, and several items I used to buy appeared to be no longer sold, as there wasn't a space for them in teh freezers/shelves.

This will get worse in the run up to Christmas, The shelves will be full of overpriced tat.

[<me9]

No different to the other supermarkets then.

[Andy Hall]

There's rather more to it than that. There is a vast difference in quality (and indeed cost) between extra virgin olive oil and the heat treated stuff. One could argue either way about quality from Italy vs. Spain but there is no doubt about the processing issue. In terms of the final product, this isn't an issue of EU bureacracy on labelling as some food labelling is, but of a substantial difference of the product. One therefore cannot make light of it.

Exposure of dishonesty is the obvious one.

Who knows. It really doesn't matter. The retailer is responsible for what they sell and should have the test and QA available to make sure that it is what is claimed. Perhaps this is another thing that these cheap warehouses cut out of the cost chain.

Whether it is the original supplier or the retailer who is responsible, it is yet another example of what happens when the focus is low price and margin rather than quality.

More's the pity. There should be a heavy fine for this type of thing.

Three made three mistakes? This is more than making a mistake. Labelling a product as something better than it actually is is not a mistake. It doesn't happen accidentally. Somebody is responsible in each case.

I asked a Swiss person about that. It wouldn't be right on a Sunday to type the words that they actually used with respect to Cadburys products.

[Derek ^]

What's in a name nowadays ?

[Owain]

Maybe next week they'll have a knitwear special with some nice stripey jumpers.

Owain

[Stuart Noble]

Absolutely. I usually get through 2 or 3 between now and Xmas. Their Xmas puddings are good too.

[Alan Holmes]

But no one forces you to buy it, from whichever shop it is, even Sainsburys!

Alan

[Alan Holmes]

Those who thnk they are Posh!

Alan

[Steve Firth]

I can hear your arteries creaking from here.

Good to see that you enjoy the pikey high sugar high fat rush.

[Steve Firth]

Noit shows they will stoop to falsifying provenance for food. If they do it (and get caught doing it) for one food they will do it for others. AS the magazine says, you cannot grown Italian olive oil for the prices that it is sold for in Aldi/Lidl. Indeed you can't even grow Spanish olive oil for those prices.

What you can do is to take industrial lubricant (pomace oil) made from factory sweepings, solvent extracted, heat treat it and pass it off as "virgin olive oil" and not care whether you kill anyone in the process.

For the second time, and they lied about it to their customers, both times.

It proves that their products contained crap, literally.

Do none of you morons care what you put in your mouth?

[Steve Firth]

[Falsifcation of olive oil provenance]

Indeed. A few years ago we were approached by a well respected food journalist at a food exhibition. She was interested in our olive oil and the fact that we operate a "food passport" scheme to warrant to the consumer that we know the provenance of the oil from olive to the bottled product.

The journalist commented that they had performed an investigation of the EU olive oil market a couple of years previously and discovered that adulteration and passing off of olive oil was done widely and with the collaboration of supermarkets. Industrial lubricant and oil not fit for human consumption are treated to de-odorise them and then they are sold as "extra virgin" especially to German and British consumers who don't know what they are buying.

It was these practices that resulted in the Toxic Oil Syndrome seen in and around Madrid in the early 1980s when treatment of oil to remove aniline yellow dye resulted in an oil that had serious long-term toxicity. People thought they were getting "a bargain" then as well.

[Dave]

If that is what you are comparing them with, I would have to agree, but I have spent many years drilling all sorts of metals and normal 'jobber' drills will outlast them.

All twist drills are brittle if you do not use them right :-)

- I've been using them for drilling holes in the car,

Car steel has to be soft, as it has to be formed in a metal body press. Try drilling some 100 ton steel and see how far you get through that. I had some to drill some (by hand with an air powered drill) more than 15 years ago. I spent more time walking to the grindstone than I did drilling.

Using a 2.5 mm D200 twist drill, I could drill up to 3 holes before the drill would refuse another hole. Looking at it, you could not fault it. Grind it and it would drill another 3 holes. Took me ages to finish that job.

Did you know, the harder the metal you are drilling the flatter the cutting rake should be?

Dave

[Dave]

LOL. I am nibbling my way through a bar of Green and Blacks Organic chocolate here. Tastes great.

I used to like Cadburys, but these days I tend to go for the proper chocolates.

Dave

[HLAH]

"Steve Firth" wrote

then they are sold as

So the Germans and English are too ignorant to know what is "good" oil, yet only the Spanish, who surely by their ethnicity should know what's good for them, were poisoned. How strange?

H

[Steve Firth]

Which bit of the word "especially" caused you such problems?