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Mmm. You can do combustion without using air.

The classic is heating coal and metal oxide. What you get is pure CO2 and metal.

Then you can burn the metal in air back to oxide and feed it back in

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The Natural Philosopher
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Its just more technobollox trying to keep the green wet dream alive.

Like all greenshite, its technically possible and commercially catastrophic.

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The Natural Philosopher

Since it requires a process temperature of 800 deg C it would be an ideal partner for a LFTR reactor, since they can achieve the high process temperatures directly.

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John Rumm

The main attraction is the energy density of a hydrocarbon fuel over any available battery technology. The best efforts of 500kg+ of batteries can be reduced to a few litres of fuel.

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John Rumm

People like you with no vision, no faith and no hope for the future are living walking tragedies. If I was king I would have you all put socks in your mouths so that the rest of us didn't have to hear the constant, dismal, negative, droning.

Tim W

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Tim w

Yes.

No.

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Tim Streater

Well that may be true but doesn't alter reality. Reality isn't interested in faith, hope, or vision.

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Tim Streater

That kind of wilful ignorance is just dumb posturing. I take it you have some kind of education? and know something about history, culture and the world. You know that Coleridge didn't take up poetry because he thought it would be an easy way to earn a few Bob? You know that Fascism wasn't defeated in Europe by people dreaming of a world of ready-meals and Ant and Dec? That the great acheivements of humanity like the emancipation of slaves and the eradication of smallpox were all victories fought by people who didn't accept the shallow, complacent wisdom that said 'That's just the reality'? But still you pretend you can't see beyond your own nose and that change in the world is driven by the relentless petty choices of small minded people always selecting the cheapest option. You know it isn't. Change comes about through vision and imagination and belief in our ability to bring it about. You know that already.

Tim W

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Tim w

Apart from the eradication of smallpox, everything you are describing concerns human actions. You do something, or you don't; you make a choice. Even the eradication of smallpox, now I come to think of it, in fact falls into that category. That happened because it was technically and practically possible, and because of an act of will on the part of the WHO. In principle, you could eradicate the common house fly, too, except that would most likely be impractical.

The sort of stuff that you seem to be talking about, however, is *not* technically possible. Things in that category will *never* get done, regardless of how much "vision", "faith", or any other damn human emotion there is to bolster up the "hope". You want an everyday car running only on solar power, with batteries perhaps for night use? Not possible. Not possible however much research money, or indeed "faith", you throw at it. That's the sort of thing I'm talking about.

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Tim Streater

Change often comes about by accident or by reinvestigating an anomaly from past results. The chances of getting this fuel process to be economic IMO are close to zero. Very few people achieve major worthwhile change by design. Cold fusion seems to be a good case in point. Hope for the future comes from the young who just don't know it isn't possible. When a process is economically sound, it will happen, until then nothing will change. Lithium batteries are a good example. Slavery died out largely because it was uneconomic, as much as for any other reason. The majority of people will try to choose the cheapest long term solution, as that's all they can afford.

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Capitol

Yes, but it is also about looking at what makes sense over the long haul and producing diesel that way doesn?t.

If natural gas isn't suitable as a fuel for heavy vehicles like trucks, it makes a lot more sense to turn it into diesel using existing chemical technology or to produce it from coal instead of producing diesel that very inefficient way.

You know

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Simon Brown

Zero in fact given that there are much better sources of carbon than the air.

Very few people achieve major worthwhile

That is wrong.

And so is that.

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Simon Brown

Did you see the name of the spokesperson?

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F Murtz

I see. So its not about reality, hard technology and economic facts, its about faith hope, and religious adherence to an emotional narrative?

I have extreme hope for the future. Hope that people like you will in the end be slaughtered in millions by people who have discovered that an AK 47 trumps a socialist or ecological theory every time.

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The Natural Philosopher

Can be, Tim. AS a performance or other additive.

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The Natural Philosopher

Its not even in the end a choice. A society that chooses expensive not very effective ways of doing things will not be able to stand against a society that chooses cheaper and more effective ways.

Europe colonised the world because it had technology at its disposal.

Give me a steam engine and a machine gun against a spiritual vision any day, when what you want is lebensraum.

It is to be noted in this context, that its not the force of prayer and the consideration of the Q'ran that's driving ISIL, its western guns.

Radical Islam is just like the Greens really. Cynical abuse of peoples faith hope and belief to gain political power and make profit. And destroy civilisation.

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The Natural Philosopher

The pollution depends on the type of engine, not the fuel, which must fall within certain specifications for the engine to work at all.

The advantages of this fuel is that It can be made from surplus renewable energy. It is carbon neutral. (Up to a point) There is no sulphur in the fuel so no SO2 is generated.

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harryagain

Not using coal you don't. Which is why coke is used.

The NOx is produced mostly in ICE.

Burning the same fuel in say a boiler, produces far less NOx as the temperatures are much lower. Also virtually no carbon particles (in a modern boiler).

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harryagain

Almost certainly pathetic unless you start with refined pure materials and then you have to include the cost of refining them.

The unstated assumptions going into that so called 70% including having a convenient cylinder of pure 2000psi CO2 as a feedstock rather than taking it out of the air as a real greenwash project would have to.

Basically it is Audi marketing bullshit wearing a green vest.

When they publish in Nature or with patents I will take it seriously.

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Martin Brown

Drivel.

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harryagain

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