Why you should change your vehicle to flex fuel

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Liquified natural gas has a bit of a problem in car fuel tanks - on such smaller fuel tanks even with a lot of thermal insulation, rate of heat inflow from outside into such cold fuel raises its vapor pressure to great levels. At many times, the temperature will exceed the "critical tempwerature" - above which liquid of most of LNG's chemical constituency cannot exist no matter how high the pressure is. How much fuel can one store in what practical fuel tank if it is gaseous rather than liquid? Will the fuel pumps at the refueling stations pump the fuel into such higher pressures at a cost that the market will support? Will these fuel dispensers be operable by Joe Sixpack, or require a trained technician to operate?
What is the octane rating of "natural gas" anyway?
I have heard of trucks and seen forklifts running on propane - but that is easily liquified at ordinary temperatures at fairly reasonable pressures.
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=>Yah, sure...no problem except that in Alberta we can't even get E5 let

I think it's covered in the extradition treaty
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Here in NoVA I actually have a flex fuel car as my company heaver but it's never had anything but E10 in it. Can't get 100% gasoline anymore, but can't get E85 either. I can't remember ever seeing a fuel station selling E85 in my whole life. I might run a tank through if I could get it, just to keep everything clean.
Besides, at least as of a couple years ago, growing corn for fuel ethanol was pretty much a wash in terms of "saving the planet" - most of the equivalent amounts of fossil fuels that would be replaced by the ethanol were used in the *production* of the ethanol, and some studies showed that burning ethanol actually *increased* our dependence on fossil fuels.
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Well, yes, no, absolutely, maybe, and I don't know. In my state, Utah, guys were changing vehicles to LPG, and claiming all sorts of savings. Charging quite a bit for the conversion, too. Only problem was that doing it required approval in advance from the state, and they will only license vehicles that are LPG from the factory. So, all the owners who had them retrofitted were hosed, and some of the companies that did the conversions were in deep doo doo.
Just making a blanket solicitation is ludicrous of you. And a spamming troll besides.
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Some engines are made that run on 6 or 8 cylinders when needed, but generally chug along on 4 after getting up to speed. Is this mainly a computer thingy or do the engines have to engineered from scratch for this? If the first, are there kits available to make the conversion? This seems the more logical, easier, and probably cheaper approach if available.
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But now with the devaluation of the dollar due to massive printing, oil costs are going up, and will continue to rise until the US stops printing money.
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Cars run fine on CNG compressed natural gas. I have a friend who convereted both of his vehicles back in 72 just after the first oil crisis. Vehicles have a little less power but run fine, exhaust is super clean. and his vehicles are pre computer. They are actually dual fuel and run on gasoline too with the flick of one switch.
The trouble with oil, we as a nation are shipping our wea;th overseas to buy oil from people who hate us.
While we ship our jobs overseas to get them done cheap. Is it any wonder our economy is collapsing?
Look at health care being such a BIG part of our economy. Its percentage wouldnt be so large if we had more manufacturing.......
if you think our economy is bad now just wait till the terrorists strike again....
we will have a full blown depression........
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On 11/10/10 08:00 am, snipped-for-privacy@aol.com wrote:

When I left Australia almost 25 years ago, many taxis and other fleet vehicles had been converted to run on LPG/CNG (with a cylinder in the trunk), but a large part of the savings was that LPG did not carry the taxes that gasoline did. I don't know whether it ever came to pass, but many people predicted that once LPG use became significant heavy taxes would be imposed on it to match those on gasoline: the roads have to be paid for somehow.
I have no idea about taxes on LPG in the USA.
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On 11/10/2010 9:40 AM, Percival P. Cassidy wrote:

LPG is an oil derivative so using in vehicles is just rearranging the furniture so to speak.
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snipped-for-privacy@aol.com wrote:

We get most of our oil from Canada & Mexico; they don't hate us (well, maybe some in Mexico...).

There's the story of the fellow who invented a magic box that could "read" X-Rays. Hospitals would electronically transmit digitized X-Rays to him, his box would read the X-Ray and send a full report back to the originating hospital within two hours. For this service, he charged the hospital $40 instead of the $400 charged by a radiologist.
Skeptical, many hospitals had the same X-ray read by this entrepreneur's service and a staff radiologist. The differences in the two reports were inconsequential.
Many people benefited. The inventor, of course, but also the hospital and the patients.
But the radiologists were screwed. They complained.
The state medical board moved to charge the inventor with "Unlicensed practice of medicine" and felonious moperty. Investigations were held.
Come to find out, there was no "magic box." The businessman was simply forwarding the digitized X-ray to a radiologist in India who performed HIS magic and emailed back the result.
The above story is fiction, but it could happen. If it did, how does the "keep jobs in America" mantra hold up?
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Many hospitals are doing that today.. X rays and other diagnostics read bby foreign doctors including china
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On 11/10/2010 5:39 PM, snipped-for-privacy@aol.com wrote:

Well it is important to note the poster of the "magic box" story.
We have two local hospital systems and both have minimal staff radiologists during the day and at other times and for routine stuff their offshore contract radiologists do the work.
Nothing new and has been going on for a long time.
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George wrote:

Yeah, well... it was an old story.
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On 11/10/2010 10:30 AM, HeyBub wrote:

Perhaps someday, India and China will outsource tech support to The U.S. which shouldn't be a problem since there are more Chinese who speak English than Americans. 8-)
TDD
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you have it backwards; the Democrats are the terrorists,the ones out to subvert the Constitution and turn the US to socialism/communism. They are the Party of Divisiveness and Fear.
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if obama and the democrats hadnt stimulated the economy with all that overspending we wouldnt have a bad economy today.
it would be a outright depression with unemployment over 20%
GM would be owned by china with only a few parts warehouses remaining in ther US.
Not only would the final assembly plants be gone but so would all the parts suppliers
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On 11/10/2010 4:43 PM, snipped-for-privacy@aol.com wrote:

Didn't GM sell the Hummer line to the Chinese?
TDD
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On 11/10/2010 7:06 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:

They tried but common sense kicked in and they realized it was the dumbest vehicle (not the real ones, the ones sold to people apparently trying to compensate for other inadequacies) ever made and walked away from the table.
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On 11/11/2010 1:40 PM, George wrote:

Um, I just checked.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31093462 /
TDD
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On 11/11/2010 2:06 PM, The Daring Dufas wrote:

OOPS! I didn't read enough, premature postification strikes again. :-0
TDD
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