NEC: is it "neck" or N-E-C?

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RicodJour wrote:

Then you shouldn't have included the link. It says that acronyms, intialisms and alphabetisms are abbreviations. I've been retired for over 8 years so I may be behind the times. But, during 20 years of writing and editing, I never heard or saw the word initialism. Probably because there is no need. For example, saying "FBI is the initialism of the Federal Bureau of Investigation," is a rather stupid way of saying that FBI is(are) the initials of ..........." BTW, none of my dictionaries have a definition of initialism. I didn't bother to look up alphabetism but I've never heard anyone use the term and it is not found in any of the style guides I used. Again, probably because there is very little to no opportunity to use it and not feel foolish.
In the Wikipedia article, the constructed argument defining the differences and uses among various types of abbreviations may be entertaining and somewhat informative but is mostly nonsense. Abbreviations are not constructed based on some set of abstract rules but are usually introduced as a convenience in writing or speaking and may vary with the writer or speaker. If a person introduces an abbreviation that is useful and that form is accepted, it becomes common, but may persist only for a short time.
Another BTW, the author has made some rather silly mistakes in selecting and describing some foreign language examples. I give only one. The author says Chinese is a syllable-based writing system. It is not, it is a word based system. The pronunciation of some characters have a complex sound that in English we would be interpreted as more than one syllable; much different from Japanese. Also, his interpretation of daxue is as laughable as interpreting high school in English to mean tall school.
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George E. Cawthon wrote:

Abbreviations is a general classification and the others are more specific. Abbreviations doesn't specify how the word was shortened, the others do. I'm not sure how you could construe what I wrote to mean something else, but as you did, I'll apologize for not being clearer.

Just because you haven't encountered something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/initialism http://www.bartleby.com/cgi-bin/texis/webinator/ahdsearch?search_type=enty&query=initialism&db=ahd&Submit=Search http://encarta.msn.com/dictionary_/initialism.html http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=initialism&x=0&y=0 http://www.askoxford.com/results/?view=dict&field-12668446=initialism&branch 842570&textsearchtype=exact&sortorder=score%2Cname
Like I said in an earlier post, initialism was a new one on me, and I thanked Steve for pointing it out.
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RicodJour wrote:

Oops I lost track of the thread. My statement was to Charlie Morgan. Then you answered and I responded as though you were Charlie Morgan. Sorry about that.

Sure it does. ;)
Seriously, people that use abbreviations, acronyms, and such don't have any reason to use intialism or the more hideous alphabetism. They just want the correct abbreviation. Pretty soon we may have to discuss numberisms, symbolisms, and capitalisms. Thank god capitalism is already used for something else.
BTW, doesn't alphabetism mean using the alphabet? Isn't that usually called writing? I see these terms were used at the beginning of the last century, apparently they died a needed death for most American dictionaries. Silly word and phrase usage is a real poke in the eye for me. Oh well, I'll just shut up for now.

http://www.bartleby.com/cgi-bin/texis/webinator/ahdsearch?search_type=enty&query=initialism&db=ahd&Submit=Search
http://www.askoxford.com/results/?view=dict&field-12668446=initialism&branch 842570&textsearchtype=exact&sortorder=score%2Cname
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On Sat, 04 Nov 2006 14:02:30 GMT, snipped-for-privacy@milmac.com (Doug Miller) wrote:

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On Fri, 3 Nov 2006 21:02:19 -0600, "Steve Barker LT"

I feel that way too. Since a lot of people get angry, I created a web page where I post stuff like that. http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com/definitions.html A lot of it is apostrophes that don't belong. I included a bunch of funny-sounding definitions.
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On Fri, 3 Nov 2006 21:02:19 -0600, Steve Barker LT

Ooh, yeah. ads on the radio lately around here, "Corey Barton Homes has changed their name. Now they are CBH Homes!"
No, tell me it ain't so!!!!
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RicodJour wrote:

Yes, but they do say "oh-sha" for OSHA, "na-sa" for NASA, "pee-ta" for PETA, ergo the question.
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snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com wrote:

Also, references to the FBI often just say fibs. If one can make a pronounceable word, even if it doesn't follow the initials, it will usually be pronounced that way by a large portion of the people. Way easier to say one or two syllables than three or four initials.
The question was valid.
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snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com says...

In my experience, most electricians pronounce NEC as "Code".
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Doug Miller wrote:

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Doug Miller wrote:

Good one. This reminds me: One day at Lowes I asked where the RMC was. After some explanation the guy realized what I wanted was "thick-wall" conduit. --Not that electricians are a bunch of dummies but there is NEC way of referring to things and everyone else's way.
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snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com wrote:

Ayup. In your instance I've generally heard the two types referred to as "rigid" and "EMT" (oh noes, another acronym!)
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I've never heard anybody call EMT "EMT" -- it's always "thinwall".
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Doug Miller wrote:

A lot of the electricians I've dealt with actually call it "EMT" but then again they are all fire alarm specialists not general electricians so there may be some differences in common usage.
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wrote:

When hearing "EMT" almost everyone thinks "Emergency Medical Technician", not "Electrical Metallic Tubing."
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Doug Miller wrote:

Just as you mention in your post about referring to the NEC as "code", the context would pretty much nail EMT to mean conduit and not some guy with some bandages. You've got to pick one side, Doug!
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Some people, when listening, notice the actual sounds they hear. This comes before recognizing context.
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Mark Lloyd wrote:

I'm sorry, what did you say? ;)
If someone randomly interjects the initialism EMT, yes, I would also think of ambulances and spurting arteries. But if I were talking to someone about construction and electrical work, and wiring and related materials in particular, EMT means conduit. It's impossible to be clear in any language without taking into account context. If elaborations are required and the odd misunderstanding takes place, the odds are it won't be a critical oversight.
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