Introduction of benzalkonium chloride

'benzalkonium chloride' (http://www.useful-chemicals.com/?pU ) is readily soluble
in ethanol and acetone. Although dissolution in water is slow, aqueous solutions are easier to
handle and are preferred. Solutions should be neutral to slightly alkaline, with colour ranging
from colourless to a pale yellow. Solutions foam profusely when shaken, have a bitter taste and a
faint almond-like odour which is only detectable in concentrated solutions.
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Sniffing your samples again or are you just naturally stupid?
Section 11 Additional Information Toxic, corrosive. Harmful if swallowed, inhaled or absorbed through skin. Material is extremely destructive to tissue of mucous membranes. Symptoms of exposure may include burning sensation, coughing, wheezing, laryngitis, shortness of breath headache, nausea and vomiting. Persons with preexisting conditions may be more susceptible. Target organ data: Over exposure may cause somnolence, hallucinations, convulsions or effect on seizure threshold, ataxia, ulceration or bleeding from small intestine, diarrhea, nausea or vomiting, pre-implantaion mortality (effects on fertility), fetal toxicity, fetal death. Persons with preexisting conditions may be more susceptible.  http://www.sciencestuff.com/msds/C1302.htmlSection
3: Hazards Identification Potential Acute Health Effects: Very hazardous in case of skin contact (irritant), of eye contact (irritant), of ingestion, . Hazardous in case of skin contact (corrosive), of eye contact (corrosive). Non-corrosive for lungs. Liquid or spray mist may produce tissue damage particularly on mucous membranes of eyes, mouth and respiratory tract. Skin contact may produce burns. Inhalation of the spray mist may produce severe irritation of respiratory tract, characterized by coughing, choking, or shortness of breath. Severe over-exposure can result in death. Inflammation of the eye is characterized by redness, watering, and itching. Skin inflammation is characterized by itching, scaling, reddening, or, occasionally, blistering. Potential Chronic Health Effects: p. 1 CARCINOGENIC EFFECTS: Classified PROVEN by State of California Proposition 65 [Ethyl alcohol 200 Proof]. Classified A4 (Not classifiable for human or animal.) by ACGIH [Ethyl alcohol 200 Proof]. MUTAGENIC EFFECTS: Mutagenic for mammalian somatic cells. [Benzalkonium chloride]. Mutagenic for bacteria and/or yeast. [Benzalkonium chloride]. Mutagenic for mammalian somatic cells. [Ethyl alcohol 200 Proof]. Mutagenic for bacteria and/or yeast. [Ethyl alcohol 200 Proof]. TERATOGENIC EFFECTS: Classified PROVEN for human [Ethyl alcohol 200 Proof]. DEVELOPMENTAL TOXICITY: Classified Reproductive system/toxin/female, Reproductive system/toxin/male [POSSIBLE] [Benzalkonium chloride]. Classified Development toxin [PROVEN] [Ethyl alcohol 200 Proof]. Classified Reproductive system/toxin/male [POSSIBLE] [Ethyl alcohol 200 Proof]. The substance is toxic to blood, the reproductive system, liver, upper respiratory tract, skin, central nervous system (CNS). The substance may be toxic to kidneys, heart, gastrointestinal tract, cardiovascular system. Repeated or prolonged exposure to the substance can produce target organs damage. Repeated or prolonged contact with spray mist may produce chronic eye irritation and severe skin irritation. Repeated or prolonged exposure to spray mist may produce respiratory tract irritation leading to frequent attacks of bronchial infection. Repeated exposure to a highly toxic material may produce general deterioration of health by an accumulation in one or many human organs. http://www.sciencelab.com/xMSDS-Benzalkonium_Chloride_Solution_50_-992303 9
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http://www.sciencestuff.com/msds/C1302.htmlSection http://www.ilpi.com/msds/FAQ/parta.html
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wrote:

Just another broken link, billy. try tinyurls. This is an all too common occurance with your links.

ahhh, I think I understand now, you didn't know what an MSDS was? Well good that you found out, just note that there is one for each product, Ok. You need to find the correct one though. In this case you gave the one that would disinfect the world. That once again is a bit overboard. But it is a good think you are still trying. That is all that is important.
also do note your link reenforces: "MSDS's are not meant for consumers." You need to be able to understand the data relevance. Apparently you didn't
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Sniffing your samples again or are you just naturally stupid, gunny?
"Also do note your link reenforces: "MSDS's are not meant for consumers.""
I knew you'd jump on that one, gunny. You really ought to get a life. If you had continued on, you would have been directed to products. but the presentation wasn't for a product, it was for 100% benzalkonium chloride.
The MSDS site that I gave http://www.sciencestuff.com/msds/C1302.html was only for 50% benzalkonium chloride, 40% H2O, 10% Etoh.
When faced with such incompetence in reporting either abusive behavior, or factual representation, I see no reason to treat you with respect.
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sure ya did billy, sure ya did.
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gunner wrote:

This link could mean a lot of things. I presume this is your way of accusing Billy of presenting a fallacy. If so what is the fallacy and what is your reason for saying so?
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Indeed it could, Mr. Hare-Scott, but there is no need to presume. billy attacked the man, then used information out of context to make the case that this was yet another evil chemical at work.
Two fallacies at minimum; the Ad Hominem and the Appeal to Emotion. My question to you, is your question relevant to anything? I.E. is it going to change anything you do? Research more? You going to fact check better?
As to whether the chemical in question is toxic or not, that is not the issue here. The issue is the use of fallacy agruments to portray it as toxic.
The fallacies used in this knee jerk, starts typically and predictably w/ billy leading off w/ his usual Ad Hominem attack; "Sniffing your samples again or are you just naturally stupid?" Very familiar opening for billy. Yet, this was a spammer for Pete's sake!!! How bizarre does one need to get in establishing the pecking order with a spammer trying to sell bulk product?
Throw in the Appeal to Emotion, perhaps the Appeal to Authority fallacy also (or Appeal to Misleading Authority may be more appropriate) billy gives a lot of cherry picked, fear mongering "citations" ; "CARCINOGENIC EFFECTS, MUTAGENIC EFFECTS, TERATOGENIC EFFECTS, and DEVELOPMENTAL TOXICITY" .
All very scary words AND he added MSDS links with voluminous amounts of more scary words, scientific ones even, so it must be true!
But did you actually read any of the links? better yet understand the theme of the person playing them? Or did ya just glance over them and think you know what you read? If you actually read the links you would have noticed the solution he referenced was 50% and 100% BAK. Never are these great % put into the context of application Mr. Hare-Scott.. These are just cut and pasted facts that are irrelevant to everyday life unless you are a warehouse or a shipper.
To quote billy's own follow-up link : "MSDS's are not meant for consumers." http://www.ilpi.com/msds/FAQ/parta.html . You need to be able to understand the data relevance. Apparently that did not happen here.
This toxic poison in question is Generally Regarded as Safe (GRAS) by the FDA. http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dailys/00/apr00/040700/ack0001.pdf Course this bit of information coming from the FDA will be discredited as part of the covert super secret Government/Corporate conspiracy designed to keep the working man down and kill the earth off, a spin off of the military's surreptitious disposal of Agent Orange in CA Orange groves. updated and now known as the Cheney Option. The wingnuts use this type fallacy argument whenever they do not have fact. Any bets it gets played?
You did note the FDA reference showed a GRAS OTC application as .11-.13%, yes? So you're not going to use a BAK solution @ 50% or even 100%, when the dosage in most application is well below <1%, are you Mr. Hare-Scott?
example of low dose BAK concentrations in:
Neosynephrine is 0.01% Artificial Tears is .005-0.01% Visine is 0.01%
In Medicines:
Methotrexate it is 0.9% Valium 1.5% Compazine 0.75%
Also, I hope you noticed billy's MSDS scary word categories listed the 200 proof alcohol adjuvant in many, if not more, places than the 50% Benzalkonium Chloride Solution. This is admittely a chemical billy like to self medicate with, again in lesser concentrations. Must be organic alcohol! So go back and read them again. Here is the first listing:
"CARCINOGENIC EFFECTS: ...[Ethyl alcohol 200 Proof]." etc. etc
If you need further examples of using facts in context go look up the MSDS for 30% Hydrogen Peroxide here: http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/H4065.htm
"Health Rating: 3 - Severe (Life)
Scary words again, health rating of 3 - severe... would you use that in your everyday household? Not likely! What you have is ~3% H2O2 in your medicine cabinet, a slight bit of a difference, yes? H2O2 is one of the safest ingredients around WHEN USED PROPERLY but it is also a rocket fuel if you so wish/need to call it that to impress or make a point!
Is this chemical evil? it is GRAS in eye drops, makeup & toweletts, oh! and for cold sores and vaginal crθme so billy can add it to the home remedies advice he gives out for yeast infections next time around, maybe he can use it when he can't find his "red-eye" medicine.
You can rant ad nauseam here on many ingredients that are used in daily households that would give all the dire warnings the Eco fringe like to perpetuate. But let us keep the BS in context with the application. Get beyond all the background drama, pecking order and dirt scratching. these goggling pasties are NOT really scary stuff when you see what is actually there.
So let's put these continuing "fear-up" tactics away and let's stop playing into this Chicken Little BS. The world is not going to stop and go back to the "Good Old Days" of feast and famine to let some "old-think" get off. We use chemicals everyday, deal with it on an intelligent level
Again, my point; two fallacy arguments, Ad Hominem and the Appeal to Emotion, this last one can be debated as to category, maybe Authority. he does like to google.
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gunner wrote:

Well why not say so to start with rather than leave us with a shopping list of things to choose from.

My question was relevant to getting you to say what you mean which you have now done.

Yes he did use an ad hominem and yes he has done so previously. He also quoted relevant material.

So to summarise you are saying the concentration of use is a key issue regarding the degree of hazard and Billy didn't address that but substituted scare tactics. It's a fair point. It would have been simpler if you said so to start with.
And why so formal? Unless you feel the need to put some distance between us call me David.
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vikasm wrote:

Why do we need to know this?
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It looks like a spam post to me.
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I think we got a consensus, unless "gunny" wants to come back and show us where we erred. I don't care if it is bactericidal and fungicidal, if I want something that is extremely destructive to my mucous membranes, with lingering after burn, coughing, wheezing, laryngitis, shortness of breath, headache, nausea and vomiting, I can always drink some good ol' red-eye. It always worked before ;O)
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is this another of your "follow me men, I'm right behind ya" ?
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snipped-for-privacy@stopspam.com says...

It's SPAM and no doubt about it.
It is clearly intended to generate traffic for an OT site.
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@gardenbanter.co.uk says...

SPAM
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