Al Reid asks:
When was Ford elected President?
No, not really. Reagan was probably the kind of guy you'd love to spend time with, bullshit a bit, and realize he was dapper, fun and lived off lines written by others. Bush, on the other hand...well, he's on the other hand. He should wear a dunce cap.
Charlie Self "It is even harder for the average ape to believe that he has descended from man." H. L. Mencken
He was NEVER elected president. That was my point in asking Gerry the question. He lumped the three together without knowing the facts.
Here, we will have to agree to disagree.
That was nicely verbalised. That says it all. Most voters never quite understand this fundamental paradox.
As far as I'm concerned, John has hit the nail on the head.
Gerry < trying to bring it back on topic >
I said, and I quote,
I didn't say he was elected. *You* did in your ensuing question. I merely lumped the three together as mental midgets /after/ /having/ /listened/ /to/ /them/ too many times over the years. Maybe their "mental midgetry" is more opinion than fact, but I hold these truths to be self-evident. ;-)
I simply found these buffoons to be at least as stupid as any of our prime ministers and we're hard to beat on this one. Don't ever mistake craftiness, slickness, or glibness at delivering speeches *scripted*
*by* *others* as anything remotely close to intelligence. Nobody with any real intelligence /or/ /morality/ would ever spend several millions of their own and others' money to secure a $150 000/year job.Gerry
P.S. How much do the parasites *legally* earn?
Fair enough. I've listened to a few Canadian PMs over the years.
By the way, or MBA master gets 400K a year (USD, too). I'm not exactly sure he needs, but any little bit helps.
Charlie Self "It is even harder for the average ape to believe that he has descended from man." H. L. Mencken
|> >Who, exactly, were the puppeteers that got Gerald Ford elected to the |> >Presidency? |>
|> When was Ford elected President? | |He was NEVER elected president.
Actually, I think that when he was elected Vice President, he *was* elected to the presidency. It is not an appointed office. The line of succession is quite clear and the electorate should remember that they may be, in fact, electing their next president when they make their vice presidential choice. "Choice" being a euphemism for "Picking the lesser of evils."
Wes
Wes notes:
That's called chopping logic, I think. Still, I'd joyfully accept Mr. Ford over several of his successors.
Charlie Self "It is even harder for the average ape to believe that he has descended from man." H. L. Mencken
||> >Who, exactly, were the puppeteers that got Gerald Ford elected to the ||> >Presidency? ||>
||> When was Ford elected President? || ||He was NEVER elected president. | |Actually, I think that when he was elected Vice President, he *was* |elected to the presidency. It is not an appointed office. The line |of succession is quite clear and the electorate should remember that |they may be, in fact, electing their next president when they make |their vice presidential choice. "Choice" being a euphemism for |"Picking the lesser of evils."
Let me clarify my too hastily composed missive. Of course I meant in Ford's case, "appointed" to the vice presidency, but he was an "elected" official who was put into that office via a constitutionally defined process that mandated that he be confirmed by both houses of Congress, the members of which are elected.
Similar unintended consequences can befall us when we elect the bozos we do to Congress.
|Wes notes: | |>Actually, I think that when he was elected Vice President, he *was* |>elected to the presidency. It is not an appointed office. The line |>of succession is quite clear and the electorate should remember that |>they may be, in fact, electing their next president when they make |>their vice presidential choice. "Choice" being a euphemism for |>"Picking the lesser of evils." | |That's called chopping logic, I think.
I dunno. I'm hard pressed to find a "definite" definition for it. Based on context I'd say it's most often used in describing religious discourse, that being a bigger waste of time than discussing politics.
As a fellow Tucsonan, the late author Ed Abbey once said, "Zen: the sound of the ax chopping. Chopping logic."
There, I'm mentioned a WWing tool.
Wes
Ya know, I feel kinda sorry for Mr Bush. I suspect that his brother Jeb is the one who the family was grooming for the presidency. GW got forced into an uncomfortable position when Jeb decided that he'd rather stay down in FL. GW strikes me as a good old boy who'd do just fine running the town garage and going fishing and hunting whenever the fit took him. I suspect that I'd be happy to wet a line, or a whistle with him, or go chasing down bunnies or deer. It's just sad to see a person out of their element through no fault of their own. Sorta going back to the puppeteer theory this started up on.
Dave in Fairfax
No inclination to digress with this group - Huh!
(say, how is old Norm?)
I was only a wee lad at the time, but I'm fairly certain that not only was Ford not elected President, he wasn't even elected Vice-President. I thought he was appointed after Agnew resigned. Sadly, I'm not interested enough to Google it.
todd
But he wasn't elected president was he? He was appointed after Spiro Agnew resigned.
In politics, it's choosing the evil of two lessers. ;-)
Gerry
Dave in Fairfax responds:
Sort of like our own Manchurian Candidate? And somebody has already activate him, so he's bankrupting the country?
Charlie Self "It is even harder for the average ape to believe that he has descended from man." H. L. Mencken
MG responds:
Ah, dear ol' Corkscrew Agnew. The man who disproved my minor faith in humanity. I recall telling my then mother-in-law that he couldn't be guilty. No politician at his level would be stupid enough to sell out for 80 grand.
Oops. I keep underestimating the stupidity of politicians.
Charlie Self "It is even harder for the average ape to believe that he has descended from man." H. L. Mencken
I was thinking more along the line of: "We know you aren't cut out for this, but it comes down to you. Take my old advisors, read what they write and do what they say. TRY to be quiet other than that, and get that b@stard Saddam for me." OK, I'm done with the politics now. Dave in Fairfax
"I didn't think things could get any worse until Reagan was elected." If you were like too many Americans, you were unemployed or paying 12 to 14% on you mortgage and sitting in gas lines. Reagan got out the credit card and started spending and put a lot of Americans back to work, kicking off the greatest economic expansion this country has ever seen.
And defeated communism without firing a shot, to boot. JFK failed at that one and almost got us annihilated. ("I lived it", also.)
Gary
Sound like mental migetry to think that any of them do it for the money. You need to move up a notch or two on Maslow's scale to know why they do it.
Gary blasts:
Bullshit, to be polite. Reagan was riding the horse that someone else trained and guided. The downfall of the Soviet Union was written in its economic and political models, so that when money ran short, it all collapsed. Reagan happened to be in the seat when that occured. He did not cause it.
Nonsense. How did JFK get us "almost annihilated"? Are we talking the Cuban Missile Crisis and ol' shoe pounding Nikita here? The world's biggest blusterer? JFK didn't do a lot of the good stuff he gets credit for, but he also didn't get us almost annihilated. He scared the bejaysus out of a lot of us who had already served our military time...I was sure the Marine Corps was going to call me up...but the crisis passed fairly quickly. The Bay of Pigs was another disaster, but didn't approach an annihilation level except for the expatriate Cubans who listened to CIA promises.
Charlie Self "It is even harder for the average ape to believe that he has descended from man." H. L. Mencken
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