Where did you get your information concerning the accuracy of the slider vs.
non-slider? Did you measure it, or simply parrot some information that you
read somewhere? I have a 12" Dewalt SCMS and a Dewalt 12" CMS and have done
a bunch of tests. When the saws are adjusted properly there is zero
difference in the accuracy of the cut.
In my opinion the biggest differences in the two saws is that the SCMS can
cut wider pieces, but it also takes a lot more room away from the wall.
as long as YOU are happy with the accuracy that's all that matters. I
don't even use my Dewalt CMS for precise cross-cuts. I use a sled. By
using a moving blade and the Bies fence I can quickly cut a number of
boards to exact length and the cut is cleaner than what comes off my
Dewalt, even using an 80 tooth blade. A moving WWII gives a better cut
than the 80 Dewalt. Plus the DeWalt is thin kerf and it WILL flex when
cutting wider boards, even those that aren't very thick, and YES, even
if I go pretty slowly. Take a straight edge to a 6" board (baltic birch
comes to mind) cut on a non-slider, using a thin kerf blade, and look at
the bow in the cut. I suppose if I slow WAAAY down so that it takes
forever to get the blade through, the cut would be straight. I'm not
that patient. I'm also not forcing it; after cutting too fast, I slowed
down, figuring the cuts would be acceptable; they weren't and that day I
built a sled.
I stand by the statement that the slider is less accurate. Read up on
them. I don't really care how YOU 'feel' about yours, I've observed
them and wouldn't buy one for precision work. Would I buy one if I was
a contractor framing a house. Yeah!
Gee, I put together a number of 12 segment rings that went together without the
need to sand to fit. The segments were cut on a Makita LS1013 slider. I guess 24
cuts at 15 degrees each, with practically 0 degree combined error, isn't
Buffalo, NY - USA
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You seem to have an interesting way of non answering. The topic was sliding
miter saws vs. non-sliding miter saws, not miter saws vs. cross cut sleds on
a table saw. My question was if you had measured the accuracy difference,
or if you were parroting something that you had read. From your answer it
is pretty clear that you have read about the accuracy of sliding miter saws,
and you have measured the accuracy of the cut that you get with your
non-slider, but it sounds like you have never investigated the difference
between sliders and non-sliders. I wonder why you felt you had information
to add to the slider vs. non-slider comparison.
I also don't understand the following:
"I use a sled. By using a moving blade and the Bies fence I can quickly cut
a number of boards to exact length."
Are you using a sled, the fence, or both to cross cut?
With all respect (not looking to pick a fight <g>) the OP was concerned
about accuracy as the thread progressed. BAD's reply (though I need more
info before I accept his responses at full value) dealt with accuracy.
(Dave -- I use a 10" thin kerf almost exclusively in my TS. ISTM there may
be something else with your setup causing the discernable inaccuracy when
crosscutting. Also, not trying to pic a fight... <g>) Therefore I find
Dave's comments completely in the thread, though they differ from the
specifics of the original post.
Mark, you'll find there are a handful of characters here who would argue
with me if I said the sky was blue. I give up trying to reason with
them after the second go-around, usually. :) They go off topic
constantly, yet they complain about the on-topic discussion of accuracy
that I brought up. If you ever agree with me you'll will be branded by
the low lifes that attempt to control this news group. Mob mentality is
alive and well on the Wreck.
Write something, quick, to me telling me what a useless, shiftless,
demonic, moronic, nitwit I am. Then you'll be in their good graces.
Mark Jerde wrote:
Well, right now, outside my window it's black with little white sparkley
thingies and occasional fluffy white thingies... <g>
My very first job after college a wise, old, retired Air Force pilot took me
under his wing. To boil down everything he taught me, the essence is to
write and speak from the other bloke's point of view.
I have read many things you have posted. Considering the whole paragraph,
they make sense. But you, as I did before the retired Colonel grabbed my
ear and made me understand, tend to write *first* in DISagreement, then
agreement. If you develop the habit of simply reversing these, people will
take much less offense. Very few people have developed the discipline to
read an entire article or paragraph and then pass judgement -- usually each
sentence, in turn, provides the cascading emotional impact.
I suggest you learn to do what I was taught to do in the early 1980's.
Instead of writing,
"Charlie, that's the single stupidest thing I've ever heard. But in some
ways I agree with you. The grommit should always be impaled on the
you should *consciously* try to write like this,
"Charlie, I agree completely about impaling the grommit on the gadget.
That makes perfect sense, and I do it all the time. But I don't agree with
your point about the fridget on the slammer. It seems to me ..."
The second techique focuses on the specifics; the first, unfortunately,
tends to focus on the individuals, no matter the merits of the ancillary
To choose to use the 2nd technique takes lots of discipline and willingness
to read what one has written through they eyes of another. It also requires
a concious decision to demote one's own ego. I know this, because I've been
married over 20 years and have two teenagers. <g> Almost daily, my
decision is between "Do I want to foster growth and understanding" or "Do I
need to beat my chest the hardest, showing I'm the biggest ape in the
jungle?" It's not easy, but I usually choose to make sure the others feel
they are communicating accurately. (Many are the times I've sat in my car
afterward, listening to 1970's music, and crying... A 40+ year old dude
sitting in a Firebird crying in the rain?: Yup.)
To summarize, I believe if you hone your delivery skills you will be better
able to get your content across. The keys are to write from the other
person's point of view and to take one's own ego out of the writing as much
I have a lot more I could write on this, In fact, I paused a very long time
after writing "Yup." trying to decide if more was apprpriate. I decided it
was better to wait for feedback, if any.
Summarizing: BAD, it seems to me that sometimes you make very good points
in such a way that many people take offense. You can learn to no create
these needless offenses; I have done so myself.
My concern was not with the style of delivery, but rather if the information
that BAD posted was based in fact. I tend to get along with most people and
have learned that over time I really enjoy spending time with people who at
first I didn't understand.
It doesn't seem like the information that BAD posted was based in fact, and
posting information that you have no real knowledge of is a huge disservice
to the newsgroup
Very well thought out discourse which I can honestly say impressed me
with it's balanced tone and sincerity. I DO agree that delivery is
important for the message to be received. Now if the other side will
just play nice, we could all go back "on topic" and leave the character
assassinating posts to die a well-deserved death.
Mark Jerde wrote:
I agree with a lot of what you have to say, but I was trying to get BAD to
state if he had really investigated the accuracy difference between the
types of saws. I find that many times people like to repeat things that
they have read to try to present themselves as knowledgeable. I have, and
use, both types of saws and one of the first things that I did after
purchasing the scms was to test the accuracy. I found zero difference even
though that I had read in many articles the throw away line "that scms were
less accurate than cms."
There are a lot of "expert" woodworkers who don't cut a lot of wood...
So all the reviewers are wrong? And we are to believe your anecdodal
"evidence"? Do you see how easily the tables can be turned? You
castigate me as "presenting" myself as knowledgeable. There is nothing
disingenuous with providing information gleaned from reading, especially
from various reputable sources, for the consumption of others. If you
feel your slider is accurate, fine; I'm not so inclined. I've looked at
more than several of them and every time I grabbed their movable saw, I
could elicit a noticeable amount of side play; no matter the brand.
I've concluded from repeated observation AND reading that they won't
suit my purposes. Am I wrong? could be? Am I evil or stupid for
stating my opinion? Apparently in YOUR myopic eyes. Do I care? NO!!!!
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