Just got a call today for something pretty cool. Has absolutely nothing to
do with woodworking - unless I leverage the fact that I'll be using my
sawhorses on the project. So - apologies up front for those horribly
offended by off topic posts.
Just got an order to fix a Chip Foose paint job on a fairly new Mustang
today. Well, maybe it should be stated a little bit different than that,
but I like the way that sounds, and in the absolute strictest sense of the
phrase one could stretch it to be accurate. If one tries. A bit. Now ya
gotta remember - I don't paint for a living, it's a side line for me. I
paint a lot, but it's still just a side line.
It's not really fixing Foose's work - as if that needs to be done. It's
damage repair, but I'm really quite surprised that the paint damage that
resulted, ever happened. Still - it's pretty cool to have the opportunity
to put my paint down on a car that has been this heavily invested in.
So - with just a little bit of mental effort on my part, I'm suddenly
feeling like I'm up with the big boys. Wonder if this will turn into my own
This sure beats banging the dents out of a 1994 Toyota and blending in color
to bring in a couple extra bucks.
Simple minds, simple pleasures I guess. Robert - where are ya? I want you
to take something from this... Keep the faith brother - maybe someday
you'll get the chance to paint a garage door that was originally mastered by
the pro's on This Old House. Or... maybe someday you'll get the chance to
do full body painting on Robin Hartl... Good things come to those who
happen to be at the right place at the right time.
Ok - this is going too far...
Dambit!!! I was just down there picking up some nice new rollers for this
job (nothing but the best for a Foose paint job), and I didn't see the
advertised sale. Oh well, I got the really nice, soft rollers. Ought to be
This one is definitely a picture job. Wonder if I should raise my prices
Let's just hope that crowd isn't reading, or at least read the OT
It sounds like SOMBODY'S skills have taken a quantum leap forward (or
you just didn't know how good you were!).
I think that shows how much confidence they have in you.
And yet, a sense of humility. ;^) I LMAO when I read that.
Bangin' out dents...
Not really... I do it for free!
Lots has gone on since you advised me so well with the newer spray guns
in high pressure and HVLP. I have sprayed a few hundred (maybe a
thousand) dollars worth of finishes to finally find a finish and
delivery system I like. I have a book full of my formulas that spell
out how to mix retarders, thinners, slow thinners, etc., based on
humidity, temperature, etc. I bought a turbine powered HVLP system
($1400 well spent), and I use that for just about all my fine finishing
And thanks to your encouragement, I spray urethane with wild abandon
whenever it is called for by the folks I am working for at the time. I
have found that urethane works best out of high pressure, as does my
heavy alkyd based enamels. So all the high pressure gear is still
I still have those HF guns, and still use the snot out of them. The
two models I have are great guns, but trying others was a mistake.
Like so much at HF, this stuff is good and this stuff isn't.
In the end, I like the aspect of less mess with HVLP, but like to spray
high pressure guns more as I like the actual atomization of the
material in high pressure as opposed to learning formulas and checking
layout times and patterns.
But check this out: I refinished some doors on site for a client.
Stripped, sanded, and refinished. He liked the results a lot as I also
repaired his jamb while I had the door off. He recommended me to
someone, and I did some work for him. Word got back to another
contractor friend of mine of what I was doing, and he gave my name to
one of our oldest and most prestigious country clubs in the city.
I wound up refinishing their double hung solid mahogany doors to the
members entry way. They liked that so much that they had me pull off
the main door to the club ("the banquet entrance") and dye it, and then
refinish it. It was an ancient old door, 4 feet wide and 7 feet tall.
It took 4 of us to handle it as it is 2 1/4" thick!
After stripping and sanding, I spray dyed the door (this is neat stuff,
this spray dye) a dark walnut as the door was probably Phillipine
mahogany or something like it. Stripped and sanded, it was bright
pink. Mixed up dark walnut with a little dark redwood, and dyed the
door on site. Six coats of polyurethane conversion lacquer on each side
later, and it looks like an old piece of fine furniture. They loved
it! Better yet, the members loved it and the manager got a ton of
compliments which made him look good, in turn making me look more
attractive as a contractor of choice.
So, the next project on my list with them is to refinish their large
main conference table. It is a beauty, probably about 40 years or so
old, and it is veneered with straight mahogany, and has a 6 inch band
of curly maply around the top surrounding the mahogany on the the top
surface (as opposed to the edge.) The replacement cost of on the table
was about $52,000, so they decided to refinish. And it has to be done
in place in the conference room as they built walls around it when they
did some light remodeling, and the table is trapped inside the
conference room. So... hurray for small tipped HVLP! No problem with
So I kinda know what you mean. It is pretty damn cool to be in a more
elite group. As a trade carpenter, it is hard for me to believe how
much of my work is now finishing and refinishing. It all started years
ago when I was tired of my painters and decided to do as much as I
could myself with a helper. And here I am now spraying finishes that
are advanced enough that my commercial rep isn't even up to date on
And country club guys are telling me that they hae a lot more work for
me, work they don't want anyone else to touch. I have to confess I have
a real advantage here - they have been screwed hard by several
contractors that have taken a shot at their work, and that has caused
them to quit calling anyone else at this point. They don't like paying
for repairs to previous repairs one bit. I really like repairing the
doors, repairing the jambs, installing or rebuilding the hardware, then
Although, I must say that I am much more impressed with being asked to
work on Foose's work (did HE actually paint it?) than I am working out
at the country club.
But now Robin would be something else altogether, wouldn't she? I am
thinking about painting her like the blue lady in X men... "paint
Well enjoy, sir. And I do hope you take some pics and put 'em up on
photobucket or flickr.
Love to see them.
That's some pretty impressive stuff Robert. It's always good to read the
successes of other guys in this group. I'm really glad to see your work
I don't know if Chip actually did any of the work on this car. I'm guessing
not, just owing to what you see on TV. I wouldn't be more impressed by my
opportunity though. Your work at the country club is exactly the same
thing. It's all a matter of trust in your workmanship that is really the
big factor. For me, and I bet for you too, opportunities like this are all
about our chance to do our work in these very prestigious, or very guarded
environments. For both of us, it was word of mouth that lead to the bigger
things we're currently engaged in, and that is a reflection of us at our
Think a little more creatively Robert. Think about what would be involved
in a more detailed work. Remember, sometimes you have to get down close to
do that detail work. And of course, there is a great deal to be said for
"getting in touch" with your work...
Swingman - I need a little help here. Seems you might be just the guy to
jump in here and give Robert a little of the coaching that he needs.
I'll be putting some pictures up somewhere for sure. This is one of those
rare opportunities that deserves being documented.
That's the neat part about this opportunity, in my mind. Both color match
and quality match are paramount on this job. Foose turns out paint jobs
that are as smooth as glass and I have to match that. The owner has the
paint codes from Foose so getting the right color match is fairly easy in
the can, and the rest lies in the application. I'm not feeling a lot of
pressure, more excitement over being able to do the work.
Well, I'd expect that you'd also remember the guy who invested so much into
your painting endeavors here at the wreck, and perhaps even consider that
you might need some in-person coaching for a deal like that. I wouldn't
touch - just watch... honest...
Well, without touching the "surface" I dunno how useful you would be.
Seems to me that fine finishing is as much a tactile experience as
Here it comes...
How would you know the surface was properly prepared if you didn't run
your hands over the whole thing to check?
| After all, if I ever get to body paint Robin, I will gladly post
We're all rooting for you! <g>
DeSoto, Iowa USA
On 15 Dec 2006 10:31:00 -0800, email@example.com wrote:
Man, that got him so excited, he's stuttering (double-post)
If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough
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