Well in my case I had the applicable measuring tools from a number of engine
overhauls I had done some years ago, they were readily adapted to this task,
and using them in this way was not a special "treat".
Individuals have varying philosophies about what is important in all manner
of things; I guess woodworking is no different. But referring to someone's
attempt to simply realize the full potential of a sizable investment as
"OCD" strikes me as childish name calling and requires no further response.
Thanks again to those who made helpful replies to my post.
Bzzzzt! ... If you'd been around a little longer, you'd realized that "OCD"
was a reference to Ed's self characterization in a recent thread on plywood
You apology is accepted. :)
So what? The 2 discussions are in no way connected. He also uses the word
"the" many times in his posts. Does that mean every time you use that word
it's in reference to Ed? I originated a post about measurements, and it was
obviously my concerns about them which you were characterizing as "OCD".
Your comment in no way implies anything else. Instead of being an adult and
apologizing, you're trotting out this bullshit.
I always wonder about these guys. They get all upset about a light hearted
remark. And then shut themselves off from the real resources of the
I am not going to defend swingman. Not only did he not do anything, I can't
imagine anybody taking Dan seriously. And I am sure the Mr Bennet would
have found Mr Swingman's comment to be funny.
This is a classic example of style over substance. Or political correctness
run amok. OCD is a term that many overacheivers use to describe themselves.
It is not the insult that some folks imagine. Ed Bennet used it to describe
Is it OK for Ed to characterize himself in this fashion? If so, are others
guilty of some kinda cosmic trangression if they describe Ed in the same
Maybe it is a joke thing. The Joke Police want to outlaw all humor. A joke
was made. Most of us laughed. Somebody went nuts and imagined all kinds of
horrors because we commited a cardinal sin of laughing at a joke.
Apparently this guy suffers from Humor Impairment Syndrome.
I have a simple criteria for reading posts. Are they of value to me? Are
they educational? Are they enjoyable? Most of the folks who post good
things on this forum are also blessed with a sense of humor. It makes this a
I think he just got fed up with all the mocking taunts. Dan had a
real problem with real consequences and he was looking for real
answers. Emotocons should be used to indicate the meaning behind the
statement, not as a license to belittle someone.
I don't think Dan shut himself off from "real" resources. After all,
swingman didn't actually offer a solution to the problem, just a way
to live with it. Which is pretty surprising given that he owns such
an expensive tablesaw, a good alignment tool, and has 30 years of
I'm certainly not going to defend swingman either. I think he should
have a lot more to offer than a bunch of belittling taunts. Just look
at his web site. Clearly, he shouldn't need to put others down in
order to feel good about himself.
Taken by itself, I don't think the OCD comment is the problem. But,
conbined with all the other comments (including the "your apology is
accepted") it is clearly the last straw in a couple of bales worth of
I think so.
Nope. I think we all want the manufacturers of our tools to be
obsessed with quality and accuracy. And, I think the finest
woodworking comes from people who are obsessed with the details. So,
I'm always surprised to hear some self proclaimed expert making fun of
detail oriented people. It makes me think twice about their
Well, while I don't mind being characterized as obsessive and
compulsive when it comes to quality and accuracy, I do mind having my
products described as the biggest waste of time for anal woodworkers.
It mocks me, my products, and my customers. And, making fun of the
real solution to Dan's problem is pretty annoying too.
An alalogy might help. What if someone was going around saying that
the pictures on swingman's web site weren't of his work. He's really
a hack that can't put together a plywood box to save his life. He has
a shop full of expensive tools and machinery but can't figure out how
to use them. The only people who hire him are those who have more
money than brains. That's why he taunts people in the newsgroup - he
isn't busy doing woodworking and it's the only way he can feel good
about himself. He couldn't have solved Dan's problem in a million
Does the smiley make it all better? Hmmm....swingman might even get a
I realize his comments were made in jest (since swingman is one of my
customers) but people will read them for years to come and may not
realize that it's self deprecating (until they read this). And, the
smiley doesn't really make it any better.
I think Dan probably ascribes to the same philosophy. He just didn't
appreciate being the butt end of this particular humor. Good friends
can poke and jibe at eachother without insult. Not quite the same
thing when dealing with strangers.
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There are over a billion Chinese people.
My guess is less than 100 million can read this thread.
Of that 100 million, probably less than 50 million can understand the
Of that 50 million, probably less than 25 give a fuck about the thread.
Well, ;~) spending a lot of time doing test cuts to sneak up on a setting
is certainly less than desirable.
However, ;~) If you don't make a test cut after changing a bevel or miter
angle you are making a test cut on you project wood. I stole that from the,
"test a finish on scraps rather than your project".
Almost always I make the test cut to verify that I have set the machine up
to the correct angle to start with. LOL
Well, Ed ... and since you haven't noticed, that pretty well sums up my
point all along about "making sawdust". :)
Nor will you get an argument from me on that score ... and we also need to
keep in mind that the vast majority of woodworkers, even with today's
technology, are doing excellent work without a TS saw capable of being
aligned, or maintaining alignment, to that thousandths of a gnats ass.
Rarely happens to those who don't fixate on alignment at the exclusion of
working wood :)
FWIW, my table saw is aligned to ".003" all around, which has pretty much
always been proven by the end product ... you just provided the verification
... thanks, again! :)
Yeah ..., make some goddamn furniture and quit f*cking with the table saw!
If nothing else, what I did for the 30 years before I had a table saw worth
"setting up" ... a plane and a shooting board.
It is absolutely ridiculous to get bogged down in measuring, in thousandths
the tools we use, in a medium that is liable to change +/- 1/16th between
sundown and sunrise.
And ... beware of those who do nothing else but measure, and make no sawdust
Good quality pieces are designed to handle wood dimension changes. It's
expected. That doesn't mean that you can cut your parts to +/- 1/16th
and have it come out anywhere close to decent right off the saw.
If the power tools aren't accurately set up it means that the hand tools
get more of a workout paring and shooting to get everything accurate.
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