I think this wreck crap is worse than the spammers. If someone wants to create a freaking group, let them. You do not need to subscribe to it and if they are as &(^%#@ up as many seem to think then its doubtful they'd have anything to contribute that you'd be interested in anyway. Get a life for christs sake and lets get back to woodworking instead of sporting a woody because someone wants to do something you don't!