Seems like \n<> would be a cool Ruby Script that you could assign a short
cut key to. I finally did that for the dimensioning tool and for one for an
now if only I could convert that into a Ruby Script. ;~)
ROTFL ... atta boy, Bubba!!
BTW, I'm on site here in the boonies and tried to call you. Got a call for a
"government" cabinet job in Klute, but I can't even consider that at the
moment, thought you might be interested, but for some reason, and although
I've called your cell a hundred times, it keeps telling me it's a non
Did you change numbers? You hiding? :)
If not, call me so I can re-capture ...
Keep in mind that Sketchup can be very difficult to use if you don't create
components and assemble them if you want a working drawing. After assemble
of the components that can be easily moved again.
For printing to scale be sure to uncheck the "Fit to page" and "Use model
extents" boxes and then change the scale boxes to be equal for the In print
out and the In Sketchup. This is possible after unchecking the mentioned
Apossable solution is to manually draw the demention in those situations.
I don't generally bother with components because I have no need to
pull out components to be shown separately. The type of things I'm
making I just don't need that kind of drawings. And even if I were
doing something, say a mission style bench and I have rails with a
bunch of mortises. Well, when I go to make those mortises I am
probably going to use some kind of template that references from the
center of the mortise. So what do I need a drawing of the mortises
for? All I need is the location of the centers which I can get from
the full drawing. And so I just don't even bother modeling the joint
at all, I know what needs to happen there so I just don't see the
point in modeling it. I'm the only one who needs to understand the
drawing so it doesn't need to be complete, just enough for me to do
the job, and possibly to show to a customer who only needs to know
what it will look like not how to make it.
It's less about what you need in the model or drawings as keeping things
straight with Sketchup. Other CAD systems will manage a certain amount of
information behind the scenes. For example, a part may be made up of some
extrusions or sweeps, each with an associated sketch and other information.
Sub-assemblies contain other assemblies as well as parts made from features
of extrusions and such. The relevance here is that Sketchup doesn't do any
of that organization for you by itself. Sketchup components are in many ways
analogous to parts and sub-assemblies in the other systems. Everything that
isn't grouped into a component is part of the global component.
If that's right for what you're doing, that's already more than you need to
know. However, it's clear to me from your comments that this is the
precisely the problem you're running into. In your mind, the box you're
drawing is a board separate from the box already in the model. From
Sketchup's point of view, you're trying to connect them together to make a
compound shape. The way you tell Sketchup what you have in mind is to group
them into separate components.
Draw them if you need them. Don't draw them if you don't. This is
independent of the problems you described.
Sketchup is looking over your shoulder, and guessing wrong. Give it a clue.
I can understand what you are talking about here and I used to think that
way. Most of what I build can be quite complex and for me the drawings
help me to visualize if some thing is going to work or not. Basically the
components are not used so that you can pull them out so to speak, you use
components so that you can more easily modify a part that may be too long or
too wide, etc,.. I recently designed a jewelry chest with sliding dado's
for the drawer slides. I made every thing out of components and then
assembled a drawer out of copies of the components. Then I grouped that
assembly so that I could place it in the cabinet and see how it fit. If it
were too long I could easily modify a component part outside the cabinet
with out having to remove the drawer. The drawer components would
automatically adjust while in place inside the chest.
Sketchup is basically in it's infancy stages. IMHO it is only now worth my
time to work with. I wish some of the CAD programs that I have owned in
the past 20 years were as advanced in their 7th versions. :~)
I've been messing with it a lot lately and it IS pretty dang spiffy.
But I'm also a TurboCAD junky and there are a lot of things from that
program that I miss terribly in Sketchup. Some of the decisions it
automatically makes for you can be pretty maddening (merging entities
together when they just happen to be touching, for example) but perhaps
with time I'll learn to work around my preconceived notions of how it
*ought* to operate. For a free program it's pretty damned incredible.
"Our beer goes through thousands of quality Czechs every day."
(From a Shiner Bock billboard I saw in Austin some years ago)
If I understand you correctly, merging, remember to make all pieces a
component first, just like you would when actually building and assembling.
When you make each piece a component they no longer are automatically
"permanently attracted to each other"
Hoping that I am understanding your situation, taking a box for instance,
draw 1 side and give it depth, "push" to the disired thickness. If you need
to rabbet the ends or put a dado in at the bottom do that now. When that
piece is absolutely completed make it in to a component. Now any other line
or part that may be along the same lines of the side can be easily moved or
modified. Copy that component side to make the other side and rotate as
needed. If you make any modifications to one component all copies will also
automatically modify the same "UNLESS" you make that component "Unique" All
components can be modified later if necessary. After you have drawn all the
components, move them together to assemble. As long as all of the pieces
are components you can move and manulipulate as desired.
Remember that you must edit a component to midify it. Simply drawing extra
lines on a component will not make them a part of the component.
I've been piddling with Sketchup again this morning (have the day off
work today) and I'd just about come to that same conclusion when I read
your post; thanks for solidifying it for me. This sounds kinda like
using blocks and groups in TurboCAD; separately edited components that
maintain their own identity when inserted into a drawing. Thanks.
See Nad. See Nad go. Go Nad!
To reply, eat the taco.
I'd add one thing to that. I have a terrible time with the Rotate tool
and try to avoid it as much as possible. Creating a second side of a box
by Copy/Pasting works well but the associated geometry with the original
side appears on the opposite end or side of the component. Leon proposes
rotating the component. That works, but I've found a simpler method.
Using the Scale tool allows you to scale the component into itself and
create a mirror image.
I set the scaling to -1, and I've got my component "rotated" without
rotating. I"ve done this very successfully with rabbeted/dovetailed
sides/ends and it takes seconds.
There is a video on the SU site that shows how this works.
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