On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 00:43:01 GMT, email@example.com (Doug Miller)
Funny how junkyards have become. They know what a new or rebuilt
"one" costs and have raised their costs to be more in line with that.
At least that's what happened with my son's car and with a tailight
for my car. Ford wanted over $100 it, the junkyard was around $80.
Junkyard got the business in both cases.
I think you'll save money. But maybe not as much as you'd hoped.
Some parts the junkyard won't have available. My son's car could use
a new headrest for one of the seats, but that's not available. Same
with some rear seat stuff.
Speaking as a cheapskate and 30+ year habitue' of local junkyards in search of
cheap car parts, I can tell you that interior parts, particularly anything
upholstered, are very hard to find in good condition at most junkyards. This
is because cars get into junkyards in two ways: they wear out, or they get
If the car is worn out mechanically, the upholstery will be heavily worn too.
And most cars that are wrecked badly enough to be junked have one or more
windows broken in the collision, which leaves the upholstery exposed to the
Speaking of junkyards... one of our local yards has a large sign behind the
counter: N F C R . Anyone care to speculate on the meaning? <g>
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 13:51:07 GMT, firstname.lastname@example.org (Doug Miller)
I understand. The bottom line for Son's car is that it's 11 years old
and doesn't have a head rest on one side.
If I were able to get one, I don't give a lick about the upholstered
(sp?) portion. I'd like the internal parts. What's happened is that
the metal rods are actually a U shaped metal rod attached to a blow
molded plastic ballon with some kind of clips and screws. It's those
screws that have pulled out of the plastic. Where I to get one in
working mechanical condition, I could swap the cloth and foam portion.
Typically the junk yards sell entire interiors to a customer. They cannot
sell a complete set of seats with parts missing. Having been in the
automotive business for many many years, the insurance companies go to the
junk yards first for automotive seats. Stolen cars most always need new
wheels, tires, seats, and radios. There was a time in the early 80's when I
saw on a daily basis stolen cars being brought to our dealership to have
those listed items replaced. Then and I suspect now, you cannot buy a
complete seat assembly from an American automobile manufacturer unless a car
is wrapped around it. The insurance companies in the early 80's created a
market for stolen seats. They only bought used seats to replace stolen ones
and the demand for used seats was pretty high. Very often we installed the
same seats that were stolen out of the vehicle and the seats were delivered
by the insurance company. Strange... It tool them years to finally stop the
cycle and start buying individual seat parts from us and let us assemble the
seats. Costly but the stolen seat market dropped.
Leon, Boy do I remember that. Honda prelude seats were a hot commodity for
a long time. For two or three years, the insurance companies only paid for
used seats and we were installing two or three sets a week. Once the
insurance companies started to pay for new seats, the cars quit getting
their seats stolen. I believe they created the market to run up the claims
and subsequently the rates. Did they lower the rates after they changed the
replacement policy? No way, but they did dry up their claims.
If I could cut out the new antenna and the shipping, that would save
$65 if I were to pay the list price.
Of course, if I just fabricate a new one or cd weld a stud onto the
old one, that doesn't cost anything.
That may be part of why I didn't think of it. The last three or four
times I tried the junkyard, they didn't have the parts I needed, or
gave me pieces from the wrong model.
When are you going to learn that the garage is for storing tools and
wood, not cars? LOL
The coorporations got me trained now to expect to be reamed for
replacement parts and to be thrilled when I can actually get a
replacment part.. :)
I'm indifferent to Ford.. but any other car company would've probably
done the same thing. The name of the game is to save 5 cents on an
attenna mount because we as consumers make price such a high priority..
If they upgraded all the little stuff like that, a Focus would probably
cost 1-3k more. You and I might be willing to pay the premium, but most
people wouldn't. If everyone thought like me, places like Harbor
Freight would not stay in business.
Obviously, everyone doesn't think like me (which might be a good thing).
Shame on you for wanting me to put my precious toys in a garage! I've
got an 1100+ sq ft. shop in the basement, where things are climate
Might be a good thing, but not on that score. We're too obsessed as a
culture with wanting everything now, and wanting it cheap. Then
people wonder why the manufacturing goes overseas, and the ones that
stay here don't pay squat. Most satisfying purchase I ever made was
an $80 radio I put on layaway when I was making minimum wage, and paid
for $5 at a time. Wasn't that it was that great- it was just
something to look forward to over the course of four months, and I
sure did appreciate it when I got it home... a whole different feeling
than just carting in a carload of crap from the Wal-mart to be used or
ignored- like the crap that comes in every other payday.
Now that's not to advocate poverty- but it makes a difference in how
you feel about things when they're just out of reach and you save for
and anticipate them. You end up choosing higher quality, caring for
them more, and generally appreciating the things you have more than if
you just put a pile of cheap junk on a credit card and shove it in a
corner at home.
If everyone thought like that, we'd be able to revive American
manufacturing and those jobs that were created might be a little less
pressure-oriented and pay better. Well, a guy can hope so, anyhow-
though it doesn't much matter, because it's not going to happen in my
Same here. I ordered from the DeWalt/Delta/Porter Cable parts people.
A simple o-ring, 99 cents. About as much as you paid for shipping. I
don't remember exactly - $8? $10? for shipping. It came in a very
large box considering that it was only an o-ring. Crushed. Of
course. This is UPS after all.
They could have put it in a #10 business envelope and stuck a 37 cent
stamp on it and been to my house in 3 days instead of the 10 it took
And on top of that, I ordered a clip for my drum sander from the Delta
repair place. It was shipped from Delta wherever to the repair place. I
picked it up there in person and still had to pay shipping from Delta to the
repair center! How fair is that???.
There's a serious customer relations problem here in how they bill
this. When they do it this way they make themselves look as if
they're very nearly giving you the small part for free, it's the
shipping they're really making their money on.
Sometimes perception is the problem.
So when you point out that customer always pays, yes, I agree. The
problem now is how this is presented. The manner of it's billing and
the hard ass attitude of "take or leave it" kills customer loyalty.
My own personal experiences over the past 50 years leave me with a
mental list of places I just won't do business with. Yet there are
others that do the right thing (however that's defined) and get my
business over and over. Those people are the ones that don't leave me
with a feeling that I've been screwed as I walk out the door or
confirm my online deal.
So in the end, in addition to good business sense, it'd pay to also
have good people skills.
Considering many parts have to be ordered across the border for me and will
have shipping, brokerage charges, etc. and be delayed so that 3 day shipping
can drag out to 3 weeks, I consider if the part broke or wore out, the
replacement may also break or wear out. When the cost of the parts are
cheaper than the shipping I always order several parts. If I need a $3.00
part and it is going to cost $30.00 to get it, I will order half a dozen,
the shipping costs will not change or will only be a dollar or two more.
This way I will NEVER have to order this part ever again. Frustration
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