router bit grit carbide

[mike hide]

I have never come to grips totally with runout, the definition that is . Seems to me we should be talking about eccentricity here not runout....mjh

[mike hide]

Again we are talking runout presumably with bits with two symetrical cutting edges .Are we also talking "runout" with a single assymetric cutting edge bits ...mjh

[George H Hughes]

How long do you expect to use a router bit. They flat do not last forever. In my opinion that must be considered. Sharpening, I don't know about that. A little proper honing done correctly is ok. But sharpening would depend on the thickness of the carbide. Also hard means brittle and thus chipping as mentioned. I personally say away from the real hard carbide..... George

[mike hide]

hardware which is local for me .Many of thier bits are Amana whitch as far as I know are US made . I am originally from the UK and know many quality manufacturers have been taken over by various european consortiums and generally as I see it most times with a loss of quality in the never ending quest for more profits .There are few exceptions ,perhaps fords initial input to Jaguare and definately bmw's imput to the "mini".

As far as carbide is concerned anyone can make quality stuff American asians you name it . Of course the asians can afford to make quality carbide bits and make them cheaper simply because of their lower production costs . However those costs eventually fade dueto higher standards of living and the consequence of higher aspirations ,take a look at China for instance, a total metamorphosis in the last 20 years .......mjh

[mike hide]

Recently Rockler opened up in North Atlanta, I went their looking for hardware last week and to check on the sale of Ashley Isles carving tools . Regarding the latter they probably are trying to find a cheaper source .

Personally I found generally their quality did not impress me in the least . As far as hardware is concerned ,and as far as an american quality small business goes horton brasses in cromwell conn is very hard to beat . Over the last 30 years I have delt with them they have done nothing but get better and better...mjh

[CW]

Amana is made in Israel.

[Hax Planx]

Please, spare us the right wing condescension. Jobs pay according to labor supply and demand, just like anything else. If the owner of a chicken slaughterhouse can get illegals to do the job for $6/hr, then he isn't going to pay an American $12/hr for the same job. If there weren't illegals, the jobs would pay more. It isn't rocket science. I have watched entire industries where wages are lower now than they were

20 years ago, and now it is all Mexicans doing the jobs. If we need them so much, then why do we still have unemployment? If you look at the border counties of Texas and Arizona, unemployment rates are sky high and I've looked at unemployment rates for the counties in my own state and see the same thing. Wherever there is a rising tide of immigrants, unemployment rates are much higher.

[Leon]

Only if you were willing to pay double for you groceries. Probably not.

It isn't rocket science. I

And now those industries are better off paying a fair wage.

If we need

I suspect because many people do not want to work for less than they "think" that htey should be paid.

If you look at

Well duh!. Border states have the most border patrol officers. If illegals stayed in those states or along the border they would be deported. Hense there are not enough people to fill lower paying jobs.

and I've looked at unemployment rates for the counties in my own

Illegals don't file for unemployment. Typically those that think that they are better than the average worker file for unemployment.

[David]

Symetrical. The problem was that the shanks were bent. Strange but true--on two different types of Viper bits. I managed to get a core box bit from them that runs true. It will be the only Viper in my collection.

Dave

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[Patriarch]

"George H Hughes" wrote in news:bHqhe.16624$aB.13578@lakeread03:

Ask your sawblade sharpening service about resharpening router bits, and let that help guide your decisions.

Mine sells and sharpens Whiteside, focused at the commercial market. If you have to send them 'out', the economics shift somewhat.

Patriarch

[Prometheus]

Same problem with the Menard's "Tool Shop" line. The carbide is fine, as far as I could tell, but the shanks will bend if you take too big a bite with them.

Aut inveniam viam aut faciam

[Hax Planx]

But labor is only a fraction of the cost. The increase would be much less than double, and I don't think the universe would implode if we had to pay 75¢ instead of 50¢ per pound for chicken.

How so? It hasn't done jack to stop the move of manufacturing to China.

And I'll bet that number includes you. People who work for the wages you think they deserve can't afford woodworking tools.

That's just wrong on so many levels, I don't have the time to go into them all. But the short version is that many illegals do stay in the border counties at least for a while as can be seen by the huge Hispanic majorities in those counties.

Wrong again. It is citizens and legal residents who recently lost their jobs. Nobody can get unemployment on a whim.

[Leon]

It is well documented that the worker is the single most expensive cost to production. Not only does the employeer have to pay higher wages, if there is still a retirement plan that costs the employeer more, social security costs the employeer mor, and insurance costs the employeer more to name a few.

That is influnced by the share holders an entirely different aspect. Perhaps if the American worker got paid what he was really worth the jobs would still be here.

Absolutely not. I retired at 40, 10 years ago making a respectable salery. For the last 10 years I have been self employeed and make about 1/3 of my previous salary. I knew that going in and have no problem with that. Additionally I live within my meens and am debt free. If you have a brain and money sence you can get by with a compeditive salary.

[CNT]

So, I shouldn't buy Whiteside? LOLOLOL just kidding LOLOLOL

Chuck

[Leon]

It's a good bit Chuck, but probably not the absolute best. LOL

[Patrick Conroy]

CNT wrote in news: [e-mail]:

I think it would be possible to reach consensus on the attributes that make up a quality router bit. Not sure if anyone's done that yet. But seems to me there would be columns in the Excel spreadsheet that talk about aspects of the carbide, the shank, the bearing, the coating, etc.

Then you could try to weight the columns and then objectively assign scores to each column for each bit. Do some arithmetic and determine "best".

Me? I think that would be overanalyzing.

I'd try two other approaches:

(1) what do other, ostensbily impartial, parties think?

(2) - assume there's some significant correlation between quality and price due the a variety of factors, including the number of players in the market. Then let your budget be the guide.

I have a few Rockler's, one Woodline, one PC, a couple CMT. The rest are Whiteside and Infinities.

Frankly, I think my technique is still worse that the bit - said another way, any problems I have are likely my fault, not due to the bit.