=Yep Owen I can do that...
all I need to do is remove it from computer number one install it in
computer number 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 then pick up my telephone and call
Microsoft...after spending 20 minutes eplaining what I am doing..AND
WHY I am doing it ... the nice gal at microsoft will give me the Key
to activate it...
At 150 bucks a pop...it is almost as cheap buying a cheap E-Machines
computer to use in the shop...
Before Xp and Microsofts new activation scheme.. I could load 98,
Me,or 2000 on any of my computers and have them all fuction...
Yeah, what a pain in the ass. That right there (Product Activation) was the
#1 reason why I finally tried Linux. I'm not a thief, dammit, and I
refused to have anything to do with that game. I never have had to deal
with it, but I imagine it's a toll call at that, and they probably keep you
on hold forever.
I'm glad for Product Activation. Without it, I might never have tried
Linux. I really didn't want to look at it at the time, and I was convinced
before trying it that it would be crappy. It would have been very easy to
keep me convinced that there were no viable alternatives to Windows.
Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan < firstname.lastname@example.org>
Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621
So what are you and the other Linux users using for an office suite these
days? A while ago I played with a product from Sun called Star Office and
it seemed to be pretty decent, but I don't know if that's still around or
Works pretty well, and I sleep nights.
I don't believe that MS Office is worth the price for my needs. I
apppreciate the efforts that were _donated_ to make Open Office available
at that price.
Kind of like the free advice available here on the wReck. Not a substitute
for classes or books, but a real supplement.
Can't get wife to switch to Linux, but we now use Open Office/Star Office.
Switching time was 5 minutes for spread sheets and Documents - not
including moaning time about difficulty of switching (2 days moaning --
5 minutes switching). She's happy now.
It's easy to output a PDF document directly - which is a nice feature.
Where are you guys getting Linux from? As well, any associated applications
such as Open Office or Star Office or whatever is commonly used today?
I've got a machine that has been just sitting around and not even on the
network for a while and I might just put it on and load it up. It's been so
long since I've looked at the Linux world that I don't even know what
everyone uses these days. Redhat? Purplecoat?
When I started out assessing Linux I got four flavours - Red Hat,
Mandrake, Slackware and SuSe. All had advantages and disadvantages. Not
much has changed in that respect.
I now use Slackware Linux on three systems (paid money even :-) -- But
you can also download through Bit Torrent - I just got the latest
Slackware 10.1 -- it looks pretty good. This will be the last release
with the 2.4 kernel (2.4.29). KDE desktop is 3.3.2 . Much slicker now.
Slackware includes the 2.6 kernel -- just haven't tried it yet.
Also -- we packed in our NT Server for a Linux Mandrake server running
on the AMD64 (ASUS K8VSE-Deluxe board) The software is a lot cheaper and
we don't have all the security holes of Windows Server 2000. (2.6
currently KDE 3.2.3) Got a (almost) free version somehow (forget how it
came to me) a few months ago, but I will pay full price for the next
major upgrade - since it does work reliably.
Slackware has worked the best for us - it is the most configurable of
the Linux variations I have tried and it is inexpensive. Flexibility is
important for our development.
Openoffice satisfies almost all our business needs other than accounting.
Linux User Magazine -- large format -- usually has a a community edition
release of one of the Linux flavours every month on the accompanying DVD.
I just noticed that 3 out of 5 machines near me are currently running
Linux for development purposes. Funny -- cause I was thinking it was
mostly Windows in our little shop.
Windows XP is required here because we use software for images
processing and accounting for which we have not found better Linux
alternatives. One machine left on Windows 2000 -- but the user better
switch soon or I will pull their network cable.
You can buy magazines, and books with a Linux "community" edition. Since
you can test on your free machine, I would spend a few bucks on these
"trial" versions and see what you like. They are all very good now.
Mike Marlow wrote:
Thought of this while cooking breakfast. Note his policy. He only posts
links to ISO's if allowed.
Used it a few times.
Highly recommend the use of Bittorent to download ISO images. Just leave
it running for a few hours after you are finished. Give other people a
chance to share your bandwidth since you shared someone else's bandwidth.
Works great under Linux - haven't tried the Windows version. I think it
requires the Python language BTW -- at least it does on Linux.
Mike Marlow wrote:
I'd download a Knoppix live CD, gets you a bootable, runnable Linux
install, and if you have hardware incompatibilities, take the CD out
and you're back to where you were. Good way to try it out, test a
system for compatibility, and also a great way to fix a b0rken Windows
installation if you're ambitious.
knoppix.org is where I'd expect to get it. openoffice.org for the obvious,
and so on. Feel free to email me if you have specific questions, my
address does work.
If it's an old slow machine, most folks recommend Vector Linux, a
repackaged "friendlier" Slackware.
I haven't tried it yet, but intend to. I installed the latest Mandrake
on my old 233mhz Pentium, and it runs like molasses pours.
I did use Slackware in the past, but I was a professional programmer for
45 years or so. And I still did a fair amount of head scratching (and
shaking) before I got it to work.
Thanks Larry and everyone else that replied. I was a Unix analyst for a lot
of years, a long time ago and always loved the environment, but for the same
reasons that I loved it, I'm somewhat reluctant to dabble with Linux now. I
just don't really care, or have the time to devote to messing with a machine
all of the time. I'm hearing that the Linux environment is not much better
than any of the Unix environments were 10 years ago - driver issues and all
the fun of searching around, finding them, debugging them, etc., much
smaller list of available applications, patch issues that rival Microsoft,
etc. It may well be a more secure environment, but I'm not sure I'm hearing
that Linux has really made it yet as a full featured environment.
The last few versions of Slackware don't seem to have that issue.
Version 7 was a little frustrating.
The current version - 10.1 seems to slick as a gooses' ...
Older machines can often be easier -- since the drivers are now well
understood. Even the AMD64 based server was not that bad though. Linux
on the AMD64 was a lot simpler than Windows Server 2003 (64 bit). It
runs Linux all the time. Easier install, fewer hassles.
Been in the tech business quite a while. Linux seems to be just fine
now. Five years ago Linux was pretty flaky. I am still more used to
Mainframe systems and their Multi-user OS than these new fangled PC's.
Each to their own.
Actually I think you will enjoy it thoroughly. If you plunge in then
welcome to the club. :-))
But I know what you mean. I have recompiled and tweaked the kernel for
the heck of it more than once... Probably a few hundred times actually...
If you like fooling with databases you can get Interbase, PostGress,
MySQL and Firebird ( http://ibphoenix.com/ ) (An interbase knockoff)
Mike Marlow wrote:
At the time I used Slackware at home, I was working on a SCADA system
that used SCO Unix and a traffic control system that used Venix (that
O/S I loved, but it died). Slackware wasn't any harder to set up and
maintain than SCO Unix, but I had to do more digging to find the
documentation I needed. And some of the "howto" docs were a little hard
I think the applications issue is less now. Linux has MSOffice
compatiblity and more than one CAD package. At least one of the
specialized model railroad (one of my hobbies) design CADs is available
And once you get Linux up and running, you won't have to reboot it every
time you turn around :-).
Bob.. I don't know if this is still the case, but when I bough XpPro, I was
pissed that I couldn't install it on our other machine(s)...
I sent an email to Micro$oft support and got one back asking me to do a live
chat with a tech... after understanding my problem, he gave me 2 additional
validation numbers for the other computers.. (at no charge)
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