NO, you're damn well not excused. Following your sentiment, it would be
appropriate to make this newsgroup as the catch all for messages from all
80,000 usenet news groups? Fine, you respect many of the members here, but
that doesn't for one minute mean that your question belongs here. There's
enough crap here from threads that migrate to off topic conversations.
There's absolutely no reason to intentionally add to it.
Like I was trying to make up my mind between a single-cup espresso maker
and a French press. Don't get me wrong, I really do like my new DVD
player, but I miss the whirring of my rewinder. I mean, it's not as if I
go to the religio-politico-alt-fuck-ups newsgroups in order to find the
answer to my age-old question: "Where *IS* that smell coming from?"
IOW.., I agree with Upscale.
Robotoy.....you got a DVD rewinder that doesn't make noise? COOL!
Would/wood making really thin shavings with a plane or chisel qualify as a
Do people that cross post stuff to unrelated groups have to wait until they go
to hell, or are they punished in life here?
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So, non-practicing and agnostic. Why worry about baptism, then?
My church does not allow for infant baptisms- we had some heated
debate over it, but the idea that a person must choose to become a
member of a spiritual community won the day. So, the earilest
occasion for baptism is when a child reaches puberty. Of course,
other faiths will disagree- and often stridently!
AFAIK, baptism is specific to denomination, but there are an awful lot
of faiths around, so that's going to depend on where you're at, and
who you're talking to.
For your consideration, the way I have always considered baptism and
confirmation (having assisted in dozens of them as a deacon) is as
follows: A baptism is a spiritual "introduction" to a community of
like-minded individuals. It signifies an intent (but not an
obligation) on the person being baptised to study the morals and dogma
of that community, but forms no permenent bond between the baptized
and the church that performs it. The sponsor of the baptised
(god-parent(s)?) is agreeing to lend spiritual guidance to the
baptised and aid them in coming to confirmation if and when they are
asked to do so. My faith (Gnostic, as opposed to A-gnostic) doesn't
allow for the doctrine of orignal sin, but if yours does, you also
need to consider the idea of purifcation that attends the ritual.
According to most Christian theologies, a person cannot enter heaven
until they are baptised.
Confirmation (and that's a long way off for your child) is when a
person is consecrated in a particular faith, and fully and truly
becomes a member of that church.
So, if it makes you feel better- why not? If you're not religious, it
can't hurt anything, but I fail to see the point in it. Might be
better to let you children decide for themselves when they come of age
in that case.
I assume by "baptising" you're talking about buying a child his or her
own set of woodworking tools. I believe the appropriate age is when
the child is able to put a good, serviceable edge on a chisel or plane
blade. Those children who are baptised as infants never learn to
properly care for their tools, so I believe you would do a diservice
to the child by having a premature baptism.
Now, the more important question: What tools are appropriate for a
baptism? I believe this is the area where you will find a schism
between the major religions. Especially fractious is the ongoing
debate about the tools of choice for Jewish carpenters. The church of
Norm believes that the church has a right to great wealth and they
condone its use for outfitting the shop. Whereas there are those who
feel that Jesus didn't even own the simple hand-tools that he worked
with. This latter group preaches the simplicity of non-corded tools,
but if you examine their accounts with the Temples of L(e/i)e (Valley
or Neilson), you will find that Mammon is not far from their practice,
if far from their beliefs. Then too, there are the pagans who will
insist that the wood must be the guide; the tools being mere artifacts
of the way.
Woodorkers, please help this wayward soul, and provide suggestions for
the baptismal right.
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hmm... some damn good points there...
add something about woodworking and pickup trucks, and it's not only on topic,
it might make a great county-western song.. *g*
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