Re: Flat Earth Theory To Be Taught In Science Classes

[Duane Bozarth]

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Again, where? I've seen lots of sytlized game of various types, but nothing that even remotely resembles a dinosaur...

[LRod]

Or that we're not at the top of the food chain in all circumstances.

[Australopithecus scobis]

References, please. Hint: it's bunk.

[Mike Marlow]

Do a quick google search Duane. There's a ton of stuff - pictures of the ancient drawings, etchings on pottery, etc. I guess it could remain arguable whether one agrees that they are pictures of dinosaurs or "stylized game", and really - at that point which one of us would really know? A good number of the stylizations though, bear a striking resemblance to what we now consider to be what some of the dinosaurs looked like.

[Mike Marlow]

Tons of stuff in Peru and the southwest USA. Why do you say it's bunk? Admittedly, I didn't do any exhaustive research on this stuff, but I didn't see any claims against the stuff.

[Odinn]

Follow the link I posted in my previous message. There you will find claims against it. I can post many more sites as well if you can't seem to find anything.

[Tom Watson]

I used to have some magazines containing drawings of women by a guy named Vargas.

I never took this to be proof that such women actually existed.

Tom Watson - WoodDorker tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (email)

(website)

[Mike Marlow]

Well, for the sake of argument, it might well be proof enough that Vargas had indeed seen a woman, wouldn't it?

[Tom Watson]

Actually, the drawings could be used as evidence that he had never seen a real one.

Tom Watson - WoodDorker tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (email)

(website)

[Duane Bozarth]

You're the one making the claim, not I...

As I said, I've never seen anything that would unequivocabbly invoke "dinosaur".

[Duane Bozarth]

That is, what about a reference to a published peer-reviewed journal article?

[Steve Peterson]

Editorial cartoon on ID at

as valid as DI publications

Steve

[Larry Blanchard]

Once again, Mike, that's not much of a reference. How about at least one peer-reviewed article with pictures and naming a specific site?

[Mike Marlow]

Sorry Larry - don't have such a thing. Remember - I'm really in this for the discourse, not because I'm well versed on the matter, or hold an intent to persuade anyone. Sometimes I get a little something out of these things and sometimes it's just discourse.

[Australopithecus scobis]

Sigh. Ever hear the phrase "morphogenetic space?" I didn't think so. Triceratops and rhinoceros, and some wierd Miocene critters, plus others I don't recall at the moment. Big grazers with horns on their schnozzes. Evolution led to all of them, by natural selection. It takes a special mind to see apatosaurus in a cave painting, which cave has game bones in it. Wake up and smell the fricken' coffee.

[Bruce Barnett]

Perhaps it one of those Gnostic chapters that got deleted?

[Mike Marlow]

Ya know - this is precisely what I was commenting on earlier. Like I said, I have no horse in this race, but it is evident that simple discourse, questions, and potentially an element of my belief that may differ from your belief, seriously threatens you and others with a response style such as yours. I've admitted that I don't have the ammunition to do battle on this field, but that does not stop me from holding a certain curiosity. It is rather amazing to watch the over-reactions like this that suggest a certain sense of being threatened much more than they suggest a greater enlightenment.

BTW - thanks for the wake up call - I love the smell of coffee...

[Charlie Self]

You have obviously never seen a 'Vargas woman' drawing. Even the most perfect of today's, or yesterday's, beauties fall way short of the idealization he drew. No woman has ever looked like that, nor is one likely to, so it might be sensibly argued that all his visions of women were in his head, well protected from reality, about like some of the concepts expressed on here.

[George]

We're the ones with a sense of self and species, though. Imagine a dog turning down the last cookie because there are pups starving in Ethiopia?

"If it's good for the survival of the species, it's 'right.' If it's bad for the survival of the species, it's 'wrong.' " Let's be consistent.

[Larry Blanchard]

Well, until you can come up with something that overrules the fossil evidence, I'll remain skeptical (and that's putting it mildly).

Dinosaur fossils are found in strata dated at,IIRC, 65 million years old and older.

Human (depending on your definition) fossils are found in strata dated no more than 4 million years ago. And h*mo sap not over 100,000 years or so, although that does seem to get pushed back a few thousand years from time to time.

Not much room there for coexistence :-).