Would anyone who lives in the London ON area have an idea where I might get dedar with shich to make cedar shakes or know someone who would?
That is, _shakes_ not shingles.
We have a shake roof that's approaching the end of its days (one way or another in the spring probably) and I need to find a source or sources.
Failing that, does anyone have some thoughts on a way to fudge around a lack of the exactly correct materials ...or an idea about alternate shake materials?
I have on my roof a Cedar "Shake" ....aluminum roof. Love it, life time warranty and still looks like it did in 1992 when it was installed. Alcoa makes it.
A quick Google search for "Cedar Shake" roofing "London, ON" truned up quite a few hits. Here's one:
Gables Roofing
5194534108London, ON
Gables Roofing are London
Shakes - asphalt shingles - re-roofing - Shingles
We just tore off a cedar shake roof (2/4" to 5/4" rough cedar shake) about two weeks ago. I haven't replaced on here in South Texas in about 5 years.
Here, when properly installed they last a long time. But the shakes and technicians to install them are in short supply. When cedar shake shingles were all the rage here in the 70s, we had them everywhere, especially on the mid to upper priced homes.
Two things happened. We found down here that most cedar roofs wouldn't stand the 100+ degree summers we have here for a usable service life. The game changer for us was the fact that insurance companies wrote exclusions or refused to insure homes with cedar shake roofs as they burned so quickly.
So we change them to a dimensional shingle. You take off all the shakes like you normally do for a roof replacement. Then deck the roof over the skip sheathing with plywood or OSB. Felt it, tin cap it, and shingle. This is also an excellent opportunity to install ridge venting on your roof system.
I am sure in you area of the world you would need to follow the ice and water shield details for shingle, and in some instances it may be a requirement (if not a local code, a requirement for insurability) to install "ice barriers" under the shingles.
The last cedar shake roof I put on was about 25 years ago. At that time, the cost to replace with a vastly inferior 0/4" - 2/4" #1 perfection grade split cedar shingle was about the same price as converting to asphalt shingles, even with the decking.
You might weigh your options. If you convert, the next time you need a roof, asphalt shingles are much easier (cheaper) to replace than wood shakes. And if you have "heavies" or the large wood shakes, it is cheaper to replace.
Just my 0.02.
Talk to Philmore on Sarnia Road. They know everybody in the wood business.
First thing I'd do is check with your insurance company and see if they will continue to insure you if you replace your existing shake with a new shake roof and at what cost.
Might surprise you.
Lew
Thanks.
Canada 411 will be one of my next ports of call.
Thanks. That's most helpful.
I will on Monday.
That's a possibility but there are cedar shingle roofs going on here and there around the city so at first glance it may not be an issue here.
I'll take put the question on the list and thanks.
Here in SoCal, it's fire season almost year around.
At one time there were a lot of shake roofs, but a few fires have put them in a whole different perspective.
Good luck.
Lew
There are some treatments to reduce the hazard from flying embers somewhat, but... insurance companies and consequently mortgage lenders do everything they can to minimize risk down to the point of zero. Bastards recently denied a claim near here because the guy didn't have 'approved' containers for his riding mower (a diesel) and the fire damage was at the other end of house due to faulty wiring (by others). Dunno if that will stick at an elevated court case.
That's very much like saying the drivers in Manhattan are all experts. The drivers who were not expert were killed off long ago.
Definitely not an insurance issue in SouthWestern Ontario.
On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 11:25:13 -0500, the infamous phorbin scrawled the following:
We had cedar shake roofing in Southern California and it turned into a nightmare during the fires. I strongly suggest you go to a manufactured shake for the replacement. Your family, fire department, and insurance company will thank you for it.
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Wildfires in southern Ontariariario aren't a major concern, Larry.
Were I there, it would be a pure cost/time decision. What's the cost versus how long I plan on owning the house.
The old initial cost vs. cost of ownership game.
Lew
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