He should also check the Brit record during the Boer war where Tommy
machine gunned civilians, and penned survivors so closely without
medical treatment or food or sanitation that thousands died. But, hey,
what the hell, those damned Boers wanted to keep their own country
instead of turning it over to businessmen for diamond mining and
Speaking of fact:
It is important to note here that John Hanson was NOT the 1st
President of the United states of America under the Articles of
Confederation. This claim is a MYTH created by Seymour Wemyss Smith
writing a book called John Hanson - Our First President in 1932.
Samuel Huntington was installed as the 1st President of the United
States on March 2, 1781 an official ceremony in Philadelphia. This 1st
U.S. Constitution, the Articles of Confederation, was unanimously
ratified by all 13 States on March 1, 1781 creating "The Perpetual
Union of the United States of America." At that moment the Continental
Congress ceased to exist and the United States of America in Congress
Assembled assumed all federal power under the new U.S. Constitution.
Huntington only served as President of the United States until July
resigning due to ill health. The United States in Congress Assembled
elected Thomas McKean the 2nd U.S. and served until John Hanson was
elected the 3rd President in November of 1781. President Hanson took
the time to write an official Thanks of Congress to Thomas McKean for
his services as President of the United States of America in Congress
Assembled. This letter, which can be found in Chapter One of President
Who? Forgotten Founders and is irrefutable proof that Hanson
recognized at least one President of the United States in Congress
Assembled serving before he assumed the unicameral chair.
On Sun, 30 Jul 2006 16:00:44 +0100, "Graham Walters"
Seems odd that you do not mention th deliberate terrorism by commissioned
officers in His Majesty's Army, carried out as a deliberate policy of the
--Banastre Tarleton, anyone?
Of course, that was merely a cntinuation of a century long poicy f the
Crown to use terrorism, and even germ warfare, on any opponnts of Crown
--- Lord Jeffrey Amherst, anyone?
Sorry my mistake, I was referring from memory.
John Hanson was the 3rd President of the United States, Samuel Huntington
was the first, followed by Thomas McKean.
If you want to know about history, ask a historian.
Apparently, your only problem isn't your memory. Since there was no "United
States of America" until the ratification of the US Constitution in 1789, it
would be difficult for Hanson (who died in 1783) to have been president of
it. Perhaps you're confusing the alliance of the thirteen states formed
under the Articles of Confederation with the United States of America. I
suggest you get your history straight.
The fact is, they were military targets. They were also, obviously, large
population centers as well. The stated purpose of using the atomic bombs
was to hasten an end to the war and avoid the losses on both sides that
would have come with a presumed invasion of the Japanese main island.
There's no way of knowing what would have actually taken place had the
atomic bombs not been dropped.
And let's not delude ourselves into thinking that these were the only times
that cities were targeted in war. According to Wikipedia, the total
civilian deaths during WWII exceeeded 32 million.
You don't accept any of the arguments that we were showing our might to
Stalin? Japan would have starved itself in short order without an
invasion - an island nation with little natural resources for making war
materials. They were running out of time once the allies recaptured most
of the South Pacific, cut off major supply lines and knocking at their
Perhaps one can justify and accept the circumstances leading up to the
first bomb dropped on Hiroshima. However, do we have as much standing to
defend the second? Given that much of the communications infrastructure
of Japan was in tatters, plus lacking modern methods of email, cell
phones, satellites, etc - waiting merely 3 days before dropping on
Nagasaki may have been rushed, unjustified and more illustrative of
sending the Russians a message. They certainly were not our favorite
allies and much distrusted. What if we had waited a full week? Did the
Japanese submit a formal declaration that they intended to fight on no
matter what we had done to Hiroshima?
My point is that I don't know what would have happened. Maybe a million
people would have starved to death if we just blockaded the island. Would
that have been better?
Again, neither of us knows what would have happened had we waited a week. A
lot of people would say that the Japanese started the "hot" war with us, and
we finished it in the manner of our choosing. The fact that we had been
engaged in a bloody war with Japan for well over 3 years probably didn't
leave a lot good will toward the enemy at the time. It wouldn't even
surprise me to learn that with the thinking of the time, the fact was that
we had two nukes to drop and we were going to drop them both. As an aside,
Kyoto was the choice of many as the primary target for the first bomb. The
fact that Secretary of War Henry Stimson had spent his honeymoon there some
time before and had an appreciation for the city is probably the only thing
that saved it.
The only info I find describes the Manhattan project as having produced
three atomic bombs. Two plutonium bombs (one tested at the Trinity site and
one dropped on Nagasaki) and a uranium bomb (dropped on Hiroshima). If
there is documentation of addition weapons available at the time, please
provide a link.
Stuff I've read said that there were only those three until August
'45, but that one Pu bomb could be manufacturered every three weeks
(U235 was too difficult to separate hence the reason for the Pu
research in the first place). The Manhattan project wasn't just a
research program, rather manufacturing.
Yes. The Manhattan project only produced three bombs because
production was halted in August 1945. Components for a fourth
were in transit to the Pacific theater at the time, and production was
being ramped up to prduce several per month by the end of 1945.
It depends on if you are talking about an appointed interim leader or a duly
elected president.Who the British think the first president was means less
to me than whether the cat has constipation or not.
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