This country is so F'd up right now.
I just spoke to a friend and former co-worker, he was laid off last
month, he told me that about a dozen others who I knew were laid off too.
They had to train their foreign replacements, who are now working here
while they got their packages, and then will eventually collect
I was looking to see if they knew of any jobs, now they are looking too.
Does this make sense to constantly be replacing American workers with
people from other countries?
I am struggling to find work, and it just seems like I am running out of
My wife has told me that many of her co-workers husbands are out of work.
BTW our goverment wants to eliminate the quotas on H1B's. Some big
companies are lobbying for this, and the idiot politicians are leaning
I love this country, but our politicians are destroying it, and so are
many of the big businesses.
The "executive summary" of the above for those who don't give a shit:
Unfortunately, for un- or under-employed Americans, the outright lie
that there’s a shortage of high-tech workers apparently takes precedence
over their well-being. For Democrats, virtually anything the expands the
dependency of Americans has become, rather than a badge of shame, an
integral part of their party platform. For Republicans, the sop of
accommodating their business allies, and siren song of possibly new
found Hispanic fealty that drives their ambitions. In a better world,
the efforts by both parties would be seen as the contempt for the rule
of law and the utter lack of concern for Americans they truly represent.
In this one, the narrative, no matter how duplicitous and despicable,
rules the roost.
BTW none of these even go over the sham of the L1. My coworker was
telling me that all of the people over there (referring to a large
group) where here on L1 visas and were not supposed to be on site. He
said they were supposed to be working at their company offices, but the
H1B visas were full so they come over on L1 visas and instead of working
at their own company offices they are doing staff supplementation..
What this means is that the numbers are far worse than being reported.
He told me this is very common. It just gets around our laws.. illegal
yes.. but no one would say anything or else they would be fired.
The cards are stacked against us. In our own country. Are we really
better off than we were years ago? I don't think so. I had a job, and
if I didn't like it I could find a job else where. Now, 90% of the
recruiters are foreign, and that's the first part of the problem. I get
calls from India for jobs here in the US. Most of them are too far a
commute, or below market value... I still have a few years left on the
So don't you think it is funny that the top firms benefittig from the
visas are Indian companies?
Do you realize that the fed has no idea how many H1B's are currently in
the country. They only know the year to year visas. They don't really
have numbers how many are currently here.
I was replaced at one job by 2 on shores and 2 offshores.
The other day the call ended after they asked if I were a citizen and
Read some of the jobs on DICE or Monster, some are worded so much for a
foreign worker everything is about moving the visa to them.. and blah
As a former coworker said (Indian) you Americans are stupid. You give
jobs to us Indians, but not to your own people. In my country we give
jobs to our own.
Funny how a foreigner recognizes how stupid we are.
You don't mention either you geographic area or in which
occupation these layoffs have occurred - can you be more specific?
So long as wall street influences business decisions, yes.
Should wall street influence business decisions? Probably not.
It's all about growing the stock price now (where it used to be about
growing the company and the dividend).
Consider wall-street driven M&A, and look at aerospace for the
results (three major airframers instead of 30, with a corresponding
reduction in aerospace employment).
Actually, the "government" doesn't necessarily want this. The politicians
in the pockets of large businesses do.
I live in Hunterdon County , NJ, my co workers were in Central NJ.
All IT, various different roles, programmers, dba's , S/A's.
I don't fully agree that it is all wall st. It is to a large extent, but
it is also lower level managers trying to squeeze more out or look good
to the people above. A few years ago a friend a project manager was
forced to contract offshore. He was paying more per person than over
here, and after a year of training (at his cost) they would move on to
other companies and he would repeat the process. He hated the idea that
he was being force to bring the business there for a lot more than here.
I believe it's the result of kickbacks too. so it's not all wall st.
My daughter and her husband worked for a national company with
expectancy of retirement in 20 yr. At 18 years they were both fired
without any explanation other than their "positions had been
deleted". So, no retirement.
Sadly, you get one (bad) indian or whatever in a position of
authority, and you end up with them bringing in all kinds of their own
- and if the bribe s involved are 1% of what goes on in India, the guy
at the top gets rich while the business fails.
They are not all bad - but with theamount of corruption ingrained in
the Indian system, your chances of some of it trickling through to
America are pretty high
On 4/23/2014 5:20 PM, email@example.com wrote:
Take a look Clare, we are catching up pretty quickly here. Our
politicians are just as bad. And yes years ago I made it through
The last one was done via the phone with the director. The man asked if
I would be loyal to him or the company. My answer was the company of
course.. Very wrong... the interview ended right then.
How could I tell him I would be loyal to him, he would then think
I did have a boss ask me to commit a felony. My Indian boss knew it was
illegal to ask me to turn off auditing. Being a SOX compliant system, I
could not. It was against company policy and it was a felony.. clearly
defined in the online training. But he called me.. knew enough to not
send an email. He insisted, the business wanted it. I refused. He said
he would get another Indian to do it.. those were his words. I was the
When my contract was up, they took me out to lunch and the topic came
up. I was asked why I wouldn't do it. I said because it was against the
law. They said I would be gone b4 anyone knew. I said, NO YOU'll be gone
before anyone knows, I live here.
I think companies like hiring foreigners because they will do anything.
Right or wrong.
I could tell you stories about them sharing each others passwords. They
say well I don't have the privs to do this and he does, so we share the
pw. Or very important passwords being so simple or shared so that
everyone can use it. Security... it's just an illusion.
That same company had people that were removed because they were
managers who were also owned the businesses that they were hiring from.
They got so greedy, that they insisted someone leave a company and work
under theirs. That's when they were caught and fired.
But I still see this nonsense all the time.. They just do it more than
we do, but I believe American's do the same.
What sucks is not getting a job because of who you are not. They do
prefer to hire their own. There's no doubt. Anyone saying other has
their head in the sand.
I had an eye opening experience at one company I worked at. At lunch I
realized how out of balance the situation is. When you go into a lunch
room and you have hundreds of Indians, Pakistani, and Asians, and No
white or blacks, you realize how whacked it is. This is at one of the
largest companies in the US. it might be the largest.
Gray beards need not apply for full time positions.
"Lack of work" is the cleanest (lowest cost & legal) way to
make the existing gray beard go away.
I read all of the posts to this thread. Yes, it appears that they who
have the money get to make the rules. I don't care for the way the game
is player either. I wish you success in your job search, Jeff.
We're hiring new people every week and can't find enough of the right
people. The needs are reasonably specific, though. Interestingly,
it's an Asian company, moving work (all well paying jobs) here from
Asia. There are a lot of contractors (H1B and others) but many of
these jobs are permanent.
Perhaps the days of the over-paid under-educated are over. Unions are
dead, thank &deity.
On 4/23/2014 9:12 PM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Not here in NJ, unions prevail, as a matter of fact any job here must be
billed at the previaling union wage, not a lower cost. So the unions got
the state into this, so they are competitive. NJ makes boss hog look
like a nice guy.
I've never had a problem and my beard is about as gray as they come.
I've certainly been discriminate against but it's also gone in my
direction. I was out of work in 2011 but only for three months. I
got a *much* better job and almost 25% more $$. I did have to work as
a contractor for nine months while they got their paperwork together.
It sorta messed up the family for a little while because I was
commuting home on weekends until I went permanent. Flexibility and
skills are key.
I agree with you. A close friend of mine working for IBM, got laid off
four years ago. He was 48 then. For those four years he worked a
number of base paying jobs just to make ends meet. It was only very
recently that he found a half decent full time position.
His saving grace was that his wife went to work and that they paid off
the home mortgage as soon as they could. Smartest thing they could do.
When I first started working some forty years ago, I could find a new
job almost every week. Now, it's four years, *if* you're lucky?
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