At least, they're new to me. When did Ebay begin hiding feedback given
by the first party from the second until the second has given their
feedback? (or have I misinterpreted what happened?)
Positives: Feedback is less likely to be retaliatory to
It also reduces the need to require that the
seller leave feedback first.
Negatives: Getting feedback is dependent upon receiving
it (not sure this is really a bad thing.)
I wonder if this'll increase the number of sellers that leave feedback
before the buyer.
Gonna have to keep an eye on this. I didn't notice it... I buy a lot
of different tools and supplies there but since I haven't had any
problems with anyone I have never really paid attention.
If you find this to be true, please post a follow up post, and I will
do the same.
I had a recent sale where I got an email from the buyer that said they
had left positive feedback for me (I hadn't left their's yet) and when
I looked there was nothing in my feedback. After I posted their
feedback, mine showed up.
I wonder if you would have observed this phenomenon, had you cleared your
browser cache before checking your feedback page.... Hmmm. I think I'll try an
experiment there. I've sold a few items in the last couple days. They're still
in transit, so obviously there won't be any buyer feedback for a few days yet.
I think I'll just wait a bit to submit mine, and see what happens.
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
I have sold several items during the last month, including this week.
I have seen my feedback as the seller posted and on the buyers
feedback page waiting for the buyer to reciprocate. I have also had a
few buyers beat me to the punch and leave their feedback, which shows
on my summary, before I have been able to leave theirs. This was just
in the last few days. I am not aware of any feedback posting changes.
I have noticed that sometimes I will see feedback posted by the
buyer/seller but not included in my summary number and that has been
the case several times and sometimes can last a day or two.
On posting feedback, as a buyer I wait until I get the item and make
sure it is as described. I have bought many items and have had two
items (same seller) not leave feedback. As a seller I generally wait
until I know that the package has arrived (tracking information) and
then post my feedback. Out of the 80 or so items I have sold and left
feedback for I have had around 10 or 15 not leave feedback. It is
generally the newer members that do not leave feedback.
Funny, I see it the opposite way. As a seller I want to be sure the
buyer is happy, and has left positive feedback before I'll leave the
What if, as a seller, you post positive feedback before the buyer has,
and *then* the buyer acts like an a**hole and changes his mind about
the purchase? Maybe he wants to return the item at your expense, maybe
claiming it was not as advertised or some other false claim.
As a buyer I leave feedback after I have received the mdse and found it
to be as claimed.
OTOH I have never had a bad experience as either buyer or seller, and
I've been involved in over 50 transactions as buyer and seller.
OTPS: My *first* shipment on my new Fedex account went missing -- an
80# 22" LaCie monitor, shipped in the original packaging with the
Fedex-printed label. Tracking showed the original drop-off, and then
nothing. Fedex couldn't find it, and asked me to make a claim. Which I
have, no word after 1-1/2 weeks. I had to refund the buyer over $300,
including a $90.00 shipping charge. Feh.
On 2/4/2006 10:51 AM Vince Heuring mumbled something about the following:
If you were a B&M business, would you wait to thank me for my purchase
until after I took my purchase home and decided if I wanted to keep it,
or would you thank me for my purchase when I paid for it?
It's people like you who that I will never give feedback to.
The point is that eBay is way different from a B&M business. In a B&M
transaction the buyer is buying stock item, he's picked it up and
looked at it, decided he wants it, gone to the cashier, and paid his
money. Transaction done. Of course I'd thank him and wish him a good
On eBay the mdse is really an unknown quantity until the buyer receives
it and examines it. The seller may not even know if the buyer has
received the item until feedback is received.
Like I said, as a seller I want to be sure the buyer is happy, and has
left positive feedback before I'll leave the seller's feedback.
I used to wait for the buyer to leave feedback before I did as well.
Turned out a lot of sellers I bought from gave me feedback as soon as
they shipped and I started to think that as long as I describe the
merchandize correctly, show adequate pictures of it, and sell it for a
reasonable price including little to no handling fees, I should be
alright. Heck if the buyer wants to leave negative feedback me
holding off on mine isn't going to do anything anyway and who cares if
they have a positive from me. I can always leave a response to their
feedback if necessary.
On 2/4/2006 6:07 PM Old Grey mumbled something about the following:
Absolutely correct. If the merchandise I purchase is as told, and I
received it in reasonable time, and email correspondence is good if the
shipping takes longer than expected, then I have no reason to give
negative feedback, but I'm not going to give it if the seller hasn't
given feedback. I'm the buyer, the seller already has my money and
already knows what his feedback is of the transaction before I even
On 1/31/2006 8:53 AM Ralph E Lindberg mumbled something about the following:
Many buyers will refuse to leave feedback until the seller has left
feedback. The seller knows first what their feedback will be like. The
buyer, OTOH, won't know until he receives the item. I will never leave
feedback on a purchase if the seller doesn't leave feedback.
I'm with you on that.
The sellers feedback "SHOULD" have nothing to do with the buyers
feedback. His should be restricted to communication and a successful
completion of the deal in a reasonable time.
The Buyers "SHOULD" be restricted to a seedy delivery, truth in
promotion of the product and quality.
I very rarely purchase from sellers who demand that I leave feedback
prior to them leaving it for me. On the few occasions that I have, I
have never left feedback for them.
Their feedback has nothing to do with mine and visa versa.
I have a much better ratio than that. It's closer to 1.0, but sometimes
I mess up and misread the post dates on seller's feedback and their buyer's.
I do the same as you. I expect that the seller should be giving
feedback on my purchase, not holding it over my head as a retaliation
should I not be happy and decide to leave negative feedback.
I never tell them that I won't leave feedback unless they do, however.
It's up to them to figure out or act positively without figuring it out,
or do without my feedback. Unless I feel really bad about something
(never have...), in which case I would leave a negative, then I would
also not have to worry about the retaliation because I imagine their
(putative) shoddy behavior would be clear.
When you walk into Rockler's or Woodcraft and plunk down a C-note for
something, would you be the least bit put off if the guy standing at the
register gave you a blank, bored look until you thanked him for taking
My feeling is that if I send Angelo Bagadonuts $50.00 for a Widgit on
Ebay, he's got my money and my trust before I get my goods. Once he's
got that, he has all that he hoped for. If he's playing it straight and
the merchandise is as described, what are the odds that a buyer's going
to go out of his way to mess with him?
Using the same logic, don't you think it more likely that the buyer will
say "you're welcome" by way of appropriate feedback if the seller says
"thank you" first as is appropriate?
Just my two cents but it strikes me as common courtesy which, alas, is
no longer all that common.
In the latest case, I had two sales totaling $500, both people picked
them up, both peopel raved about what they got, both people had feedback
before they got home. Neither has given feedback in return and it's been
almost two weeks.
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