Only the Texas GOP could produce such a fucktard.
Parents Who Skip School Meetings Could Be Fined
AUSTIN, Texas -- Parents beware: Miss a meeting with your child's
and it could cost you a $500 fine and a criminal record.
A Republican state lawmaker from Baytown has filed a bill that would
parents of public school students with a misdemeanor and fine them for
playing hooky from a scheduled parent-teacher conference.
Rep. Wayne Smith said Wednesday he wants to get parents involved in
"I think it helps the kids for the parents and teachers to
That's all the intent was," Smith said.
I was part of a school that wanted parents to get involved. They came up
with one activity that they got everyone to do, and that was take the
rule sheet home and have a parent sign it. That's really getting
involved now. (All it really did was create hassle for me, having to
remember to bring the thing home and back again.)
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Leon, I'm sorry but your credibility just nosed dived here.
This is SO beyond anything close to an acceptable answer that it's
You really think that good parenting, like morals, can be legislated? Wake
People that habitually ignore the teacher will not give the meeting any
Attend or be fined? They'll show up and play cards or something.
The idea that a civil authority thought this was a real way to do something
children's education is nuts. He should be impeached.
Parent involvement is important for many students.
However, a law that would fine a parent for not
meeting with a teacher (excepting a meeting with a
teacher and a policeman or one set by a judge to
discuss a crime or illegal act) is not only stupid
but most likely illegal in any state.
No, I was considering only the one on one typemeeting. Parents that cannot
be bothered would never go to a group meeting.
Legislating social morals has and will never work.
Showing up to a one one one with the teacher get them out of the fine.
Now find a way to legislate their active participation in those meetings and
you're all set.
Oh, except that laws with fines usually require options for jail time for
those unwilling to pay.
Maybe Texas should just skip the process and assume that all parents that
are no-shows are just those chronicly bad parents and throw them right into
jail. Then Texas can assume the wardship of the children and "bring them up
We all have seen how well state run institutions function.
Happily, I don't live in Texas. I would be one of those mouthy people
calling for this dim witted congressman's impeachment.
Yes. Thanks for illustrating my point. Works equally "well" everywhere, as
in doesn't work at all.
Get enough parking fines and someone in the DA's office get notified. Soon
after that the bench warrant with your name on it ... all for parking
tickets. (BYW - a "ticket" is an appearance ticket. A notice that you must
appear in court or plead guildty. This usually results in only a fine, but
it's not directly equivalent.
If your schools were really state run institutions, we wouldn't be having
this discussion. The state directs a curiculum that must be followed.
(Unless your school doesnt receive state aide)
I will be happy when Shrub finally finished fencing in Texas for Walt
I don't know where you are but in the US most of the the schools _are_
run by the state in the sense that "state"="government" rather than in
the sense that "state"="one of 50 specific political subunits". There
are schools that are not run by the government, in some cases those
are run by churches and in others are private profit-making
businesses, but for the most part they are run by the government.
That's not exactly right.
Here, in NY, the local "government", i.e. town/city officials, effective
handle only the school tax collection.
The school superintendant is NOT an officer within the local/city
government. That position
is controlled by a locally elected school board. The board's only
connection to the State government
is they're responsible for meeting the educational requirement the NYState
Department of Education set.
The intended roll for the school board is as a educational overseer, with
The members get elected based on their abilities to meet the local
educational requirements within the state's guidelines.
The guidelines get more and more specific as the amount of state aide your
school system increases.
In current reality, school boards do little actual planning beyond how to
"maximize their state aide dollars".
Seems their primary budgeting role is now finding a way to get the next
levels "bigger pocket" to pay for local projects.
At no point can the local govenments be put into a position of choosing to
"raid" the school tax funds to pay the local street lighting bill. There is
no direct connection between town/city/county government and the school
board, beyond some sccountability for spending the school tax dollars
properly. (No home expansions for the school board member allowed. )
Private/church schools that provide the main stream education of children
are also held to the NY State Department of Education's curiculum guidlines
too. They get the lighter version due to their receipt of little to no
What part of "government=state=government" are you having trouble
with? If they are run by the Federal government they are state
schools. If they are run by New York State they are state schools. If
they run by the county the are state schools. If they are run by the
city they are state schools. If they are run by the school district
they are state schools. It's all government, it's all the state.
If they're run by officials either elected by the populace or
appointed by some level of government then they are state schools.
I can see where this may be a good idea. Particularly in schools that
are having "behavioral" problems with students whose parents are barely
older than the children the school is trying to educate. What is a school
to do when you have a discipline problem with a child and the parents
continually avoid meeting with the teacher? Since education is mandatory
and provided at taxpayer expense, there are some responsibilities that
parents should assume.
Of course the application of this law needs to be reasonable. Trying to
apply it to a parent who has an emergency situation the first time a
meeting is scheduled should not result in a fine, after the second or third
missed meeting however, it seems that the school should have some recourse.
If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough
Well, even if the others here won't say anything, I for one am proud
of you for standing up for your rights as a parent. As there are many
just like you that feel that skipping part of your child's needs are
there prerogative, that is no doubt what brought this about.
My best buddy is a teacher in a disadvantaged district, and believe
me, people like you make his job easy. Less than 30% of the parents
that make appts. to see him show. That's right, less than 30%. The
students that need a parent/teacher/prinicpal conference are not his
star students, and he feels since their parents have sent them to the
school to be raised rather than taking that on themselves (hey... they
just pumped 'em out), the school should get a little help with the
kids. Most likely source in their unenlightened eyes are the
parents. Progress reports go unanswered; emails ignored; phone calls
As he will tell you, most of >those< kids never make it to their
But as we all know, the kiddos have rights, too. Their dumbasses have
a right to stay just as stupid, uncaring, and ignorant as their
uncaring parents. It is a tradition with some that has been passed
from generation to generation. And my buddy will tell you too, some
of the parents that do show up have a lot of bad attitude about their
day being interrupted by the school calling; the only reason they show
up is the threat of expulsion or long term suspension. Then the
school would no longer baby sit; the parents would be fully
responsible. Sensing the lesser of two evils (and impending
responsibility), the parent go to the conference. I know you see
their point; really, who wants to put out any more effort than you
need to to take care of your kid?
Imagine someone wanting to break that cycle.
Thanks for standing up for all the other that are too stupid and lazy
to take care of their kids. Without people like you to bravely speak
up about how stupid it is to get parents involved in the education and
affais of their children, we wouldn't even realize how far out of hand
this whole parental involvement bullshit has gotten.
Good for you!
I will say though, I am not sure what being a Texan has to do with
anything... you weren't by chance sticking your tongue out when you
said that were you? This is the internet, so if you were you need to
let us know.
It's really sad that a LOT of parents view school as something akin to
sending raw materials into a factory. They just want to pick up a
finished part at the end, and they blame the school for the problems.
My wife sees this even in Pre-K (She's a teacher for kids with special
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