order grizzly from Amazon?

[B a r r y]

What was it in 1999?

I seem to remember Amazon.com selling in the hundreds.

Barry

[Larry C in Auburn, WA]

I didn't say I bought it in 1999 though and most stocks are seriously depressed from 1999. Owning a volatile stock carries more risk, but also more potential gain. That's a personal choice as to how much risk one is willing to take so it's tough to take sides on which is "right". My question was to Montyhp though who seemed to think I was a sucker for owning Amazon stock. I was curious what he thought was better. I'm still curious.

[Bruce]

Last week I placed an order from Grizzly via Amazon. I placed the order late Tuesday morning and I had the order on my doorstep Thursday afternoon. One of the items I ordered was a can of some spray dry-lube that I was very disatisfied with. I called Grizzly on Monday and they agreed to refund my money and told me not to bother sending the can back. This morning I received an email from Amazon stating that they'd refunded the money to my credit card. The order came from over 800 miles away and got here in 3 days from the time I placed the order with standard UPS shipping. How much faster should they be? They refunded my money and didn't make me hassle with returning the product. (Ok, what are they gonna do with the crappy spray lube?) I didn't see any actual *advantage* from ordering through Amazon except that I was already on their website searching for some products and I didn't have to go to Grizzly's website. I don't like trying to navigate Grizzly's site anyway. I've had similar experiences with regards to fast service when ordering from other companies via Amazon.

Bruce Redding, Ca.

[Montyhp]

Chill, dude. A little tongue in cheek. I am a little bit tech heavy too. I dollar cost average into broad markets, but then, I have a fairly long time horizon. Most of my recent investments have been in big iron;-}

[Montyhp]

Congrats on 10 to 43 in 2 years. That is about as far from low risk as you can get.

[Stephen M]

No. Assuming the same cutterhead RPM and table offset are the same. Each knife (on a 4-cutterhead jointer) takes 3/4 if the "bite" if the

3-cutterhead knife.

3/4*bite * 4bites/t = 1bite * 3 bites/t

Since the bites are smaller (shallower) the finish would be smoother. Personally I'm not convinced that it's really relevant. To get a smooth surface, increase t (slow down your feed rate) on the last pass.

Alternatively you could set your infeed table a bit higher for the last pass, but just controlling the feed rate on the last pass is alot less fuss.

-Steve

[Pet Quality]

Correct on the first point; probably incorrect as to their upside potential. If you look at their sales expectations, etc. as compared to the stock price, you'll see that the current stock price relfects almost insanely optimistic future forecasts. That's not usually the sign of a stock with lots of upside potential.

There's an interesting recent article on Amazon's stock on the Motley Fool website; you might want to have a look. I think that even if you assume Amazon will continue to be successful (and there's plenty of good reason to think that), their stock is still way overvalued by most measures.

PQ

[Bridger]

got to thinking more and of course you're right.

for a given depth of cut the amount of work done at a given feed rate is the same. (well, almost. we'll ignore the wood not removed in the high points of the scallops) the finish will be smoother and the load on the motor will be more evenly distributed through the revolution.

if we take this thought experiment to an extreme and consider a cutter head with say 50 knives- assume it somehow can eject it's chips just fine- intuition says that having so many blades engaged at once is going to require more horsepower no matter how small a cut each is taking.

Bridger

[jegan]

I don't know squat about the jointer but I do know about Amazon.com shipping: it sucks.

I ordered a Unisaw in January '04 from Amazon.com because the price was slightly cheaper than other places and the shipping was free and I previously had been impressed with how quickly Amazon.com could get items delivered.

The saw was shipped motor freight. The shipping company called me a couple of days before delivery to schedule the delivery. They also wanted to make sure I could get the "package" off of the back of the truck. Huh? They want an item that weighed 500lbs that was being delivered to a residence to be pulled off of the back of the truck. Right. Let me hook up the fork lift attachment to my lawn tractor and I'll get right on it.

The shipping company suggested that I contact Amazon.com to arrange for lift-gate delivery. Through email (hard to find a phone number to talk to someone at Amazon.com) the customer service reps at Amazon.com knew nothing about this delivery method. After exchanging numerous (increasingly angry) emails with Amazon.com I called the shipping company back. They said that it was going to be $92 for lift-gate delivery if I paid for it myself. But Amazon.com had a special rate of $25 and they didn't understand why Amazon.com was being so difficult. (The folks at the shipping company were very helpful)

Armed with this new information I went back to Amazon.com by phone (the shipping company gave me the super secret phone number) and finally got them to understand what was needed and that I was willing to pay the extra $25.

After that everything was fine. I will NOT use Amazon.com for any large items. Their customer service was horrible as well as being clueless. But they are great for books and small items. I have had numerous motor freight deliveries made to my house and all of them (except this one) were curb side and I never had to arrange for lift-gate service.

[Tim Douglass]

If you reach a point where more than one cutter at a time is in contact with the wood you will see an increase in power requirement, but on a jointer you would need to get to a *lot* of blades to reach that point. Assume a 4" dia. cutterhead and a 1/8" cut, how many cutters would it take to get even two of them in contact with the wood simultaneously?

Note that spiral head jointers and planers actually *do* require more power because there are cutters constantly in contact with the wood.

Tim Douglass

[Just Dave]

So then why don't you post the super secret phone number? This way we an call when we have issues....

[Larry Bud]

Same price with shipping and/or taxes? Is Amazon giving any special deals with this? If all other things are equal, I'd probably get it from Grizzly.

[Larry C]

I'm cool but the drive-by "sucker" statement made me wonder why you felt that way. It's been a good performer the last year so I figured you must have a reason why you think it's poor stock to own. Even though I lost mucho during the market downturn I still favor stocks with lots of potential (higher risk). But hey, there are no fouls in a newsgroup so I'm fine, sorry if my last note didn't come across that way.

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[jegan]

Geez, I thought you guys new everything and already knew the phone number!

I don't have it any more. Besides, they probably changed it once they found out that a customer knows it.

-- Jim

[CW]

[Bruce]

I've never ordered anything large from Amazon but many smaller orders have always been delivered without any problems.

This is pretty standard proceedure. Most delivery trucks don't have lift gates because they deliver to businesses that *do* have forklifts. I've worked in the trucking/delivery business and in the shipping and receiving business and this is the way it is. For the majority of their deliveries a lift gate is useless and some liftgates actually get in the way of a forklift. How many 500LB packages do most trucks deliver to private residences? Not many. They charge extra because it costs extra to schedule a truck with a liftgate. The driver will sometimes have to do more work too. Ever try to maneuver a heavy pallet with a pallet jack on an uneven liftgate? If the gate isn't very flat it sucks. I've done it many times and the extra charge is there for a good reason.

$92 is way more than I've ever paid or charged. $25 to $50 is more like it but I guess it depends on the company. If the trucking company doesn't have a local terminal then the long haul truck has to have a lift gate or they have to arrange with a local company to deliver it to your house from their loading dock. That might explain the $92 extra charge. Or, the trucking company is a crook...

Would you mind posting that "super secret" phone number, please???

I've never had a problem that Amazon didn't handle immediately. Ok, so I've only had one problem but it was handled right away. Some motor carriers won't charge for a lift gate if they use them a lot. But when I worked for a large plumbing and HVAC supply company very few of the trucks that delivered to us had lift gates and I'd see many of them on my route delivering to private residences. Heave Ho!!!

Bruce Redding, Ca.

[david]

I recently got a Jet 14" drill press from Amazon, and the semi driver unloaded it into the driveway. he would have rolled it to the shop had the way been clear....all with the Free Shipping, too...

david

[david]

Thanks to all for the advice and suggestions...I ordered the G0500 from Grizzly yesterday...

david

[jegan]

I have had a number of heavy items shipped to my house by motor freight. The Unisaw was the only time I have ever had to specifically get involved and request lift-gate delivery. Every other time it was automatic. The shipper that brought my saw was used one time before without any problem.

My gripe with Amazon.com is that their customer service department wouldn't acknowledge that they could even arrange for lift-gate service. I had to communicate with them six times before I could get them to help resolve the issue.

This is the only time I have had a problem with their service. I ordered my saw from them primarily because of the high quality service that I had received in the past. I will not use Amazon.com for any large items like this again.

After my problem with Amazon.com I called woodworker.com and asked how they would ship a Unisaw. The wonderful and very helpful woman I talked to explained that they ALWAYS deliver heavy items as lift-gate deliveries and the shipping cost was no different.

-- Jim

[jegan]

If you try to find a customer service phone number on their web site it is hard to do. They seem to want all correspondence by email.

-- Jim