I am interested in the Grizzly G0500 8" Long Bed Jointer. It is the
same price from Grizzly or Amazon...Would ordering from Amazon give me
an extra measure of protection for such things as shipping or quality
disputes? Any reason to prefer one way over the other?
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 06:45:35 -0500, Montyhp wrote:
Yup. I once ordered some odds-n-ends from Griz via Amazon. Seemed to take
a day or two simply for the order to get relayed from Amazon to Griz.
Nothing bad happened, I received the order OK. But there was no advantage
When I bought my Grizzly drill press I decided to just order directly from
Grizzly rather than going through Amazon.com. In addition to avoiding an
unnecessary layer of bureaucracy, I actually got a cheaper shipping price
through Grizzly, though it was just a temporary special.
Last week I placed an order from Grizzly via Amazon.
I placed the order late Tuesday morning and I had
the order on my doorstep Thursday afternoon. One
of the items I ordered was a can of some spray dry-lube
that I was very disatisfied with. I called Grizzly
on Monday and they agreed to refund my money and told
me not to bother sending the can back. This morning
I received an email from Amazon stating that they'd
refunded the money to my credit card. The order came
from over 800 miles away and got here in 3 days from
the time I placed the order with standard UPS shipping.
How much faster should they be? They refunded my
money and didn't make me hassle with returning the
product. (Ok, what are they gonna do with the crappy
spray lube?) I didn't see any actual *advantage* from
ordering through Amazon except that I was already on
their website searching for some products and I didn't
have to go to Grizzly's website. I don't like trying to
navigate Grizzly's site anyway. I've had similar
experiences with regards to fast service when ordering
from other companies via Amazon.
I would get the 65" (G1018HW) vs the 75". All they do is give you 2 5"
casts to screw on the the ends of the 65" and I had to have 3 sets of casts
sent before I got some that lined up.
Also, they forgot to tap the screw holes and give me the screws.
My 2 cents,
thanks for the reply...the G0500 also has a 2 HP motor instead of 1 1/2,
and 4 blades instead of three in the cutterhead. how much of an
advantage do you think that would be?
This is my first jointer purchase...
Just Dave wrote:
the extra blade will just about use up the extra HP, so the load on
the motor will be more or less the same. you should get a slightly
better cut and have a slightly more complex knife setting experience.
I'd say go for it.
Wouldn't an extra blade *reduce* the load? Only one cutter is in
contact with the wood at any given time, so the determining factor is
the size of the cut. With 4 cutters each one is taking a smaller bite
(assuming same rate of feed and depth of cut) so should require less
power to remove the same total amount of wood.
Just my wild guesswork, but I can't see how a 4 knife cutterhead could
possibly require more power than a 3 knife head.
each tooth needs muscle behind it to do "work"- removing wood. having
more cutters places them closer together, which gives a smoother
surface, but also means more work being done per revolution, which
means you need more horsepower to maintain the same feed rate.
No. Assuming the same cutterhead RPM and table offset are the same. Each
knife (on a 4-cutterhead jointer) takes 3/4 if the "bite" if the
3/4*bite * 4bites/t = 1bite * 3 bites/t
Since the bites are smaller (shallower) the finish would be smoother.
Personally I'm not convinced that it's really relevant. To get a smooth
surface, increase t (slow down your feed rate) on the last pass.
Alternatively you could set your infeed table a bit higher for the last
pass, but just controlling the feed rate on the last pass is alot less fuss.
got to thinking more and of course you're right.
for a given depth of cut the amount of work done at a given feed rate
is the same. (well, almost. we'll ignore the wood not removed in the
high points of the scallops) the finish will be smoother and the load
on the motor will be more evenly distributed through the revolution.
if we take this thought experiment to an extreme and consider a cutter
head with say 50 knives- assume it somehow can eject it's chips just
fine- intuition says that having so many blades engaged at once is
going to require more horsepower no matter how small a cut each is
If you reach a point where more than one cutter at a time is in
contact with the wood you will see an increase in power requirement,
but on a jointer you would need to get to a *lot* of blades to reach
that point. Assume a 4" dia. cutterhead and a 1/8" cut, how many
cutters would it take to get even two of them in contact with the wood
Note that spiral head jointers and planers actually *do* require more
power because there are cutters constantly in contact with the wood.
Whew!! Definitely wouldn't do that (order from Amazon). I've had to call
both Grizzly and Amazon before for help. Grizzly satisfactorily helped me
(wrong motor on my bandsaw, after spending an hour with me to try and see if
it would work they finally sent me a new one). Amazon on the other hand
basically told me to stick my complaint where the sun don't shine (well,
that's how I felt anyway -- in any case they didn't help me, wouldn't refund
my money, and said too bad).
I still order from both companies, but from Amazon I only order stuff that I
won't go crazy over if it's not right (i.e. < $100 purchases only) because I
don't expect any help at all.
Do you mean that Amazon gets an 8% commission on the sale? Almost sounds
like you saying that Amazon gives an 8% discount on the sale.
I just purchased a Grizzly GW1018HW after comparison, I decided to order
direct from Grizzly. Didn't see any advantage of getting Amazon in the
middle. I didn't think to ask for a discount because they weren't having to
give up the 8% to Amazon.
BTW, the GW1018HW is a nice machine. I've had a little trouble aligning and
tensioning the belts. But the machine runs well and gives good cuts.
In my opinion, ordering from Amazon adds no added value protection regarding
the build quality or shipping. Shipping problems are passed to the shipper.
Quality problems are passed to the manufacturer. Amazon does a good job of
arranging returns - not the solution you want for a missing part or poor
quality part. You have to go back to Grizzly for that. Price and
availability are the only reasons to go with Amazon. I find that I buy less
and less from them.
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