If I owned a Multi-Router and felt the same way you feel about the Domino,
I'd think about selling the Multi-Router now before the Domino became too
popular, lowering what I could get for the M-R.
Nice try, but it's not for sale! :)
The M-R can do everything the Domino can, and very many things it can't.
That said, I like to think I've been around long enough to recognize a good
thing when I see it, and the Domino is a good thing for the small shop
I suspect beginners wouldn't normally spring for a grand when they've
got the basics to purchase first
- decent table saw, preferably a cabinet saw - with a good fence
- joiner with infeed and outfeed tables long enough to deal
with 4' long boards - and wide enough to deal with AT LEAST
8" wide boards
- planer that'll handle 12" wide boards
- a bandsaw
- a miter saw or compound miter saw or sliding compound
miter saw - with infeed and outfeed tables - and flip stops
- a router table with a good fence system (see JoinTech/Incra)
and an assortment of router bits
- a drill press and drill bits
- a decent plunge router for free handing/template following
then there's the hand tools
- block plane
- smoother (#4)
- jack plane (#5)
- joiner (#6, 7 and/or 8)
- maybe a shoulder plane
- perhaps a router plane
- a decent set of chisels (the blue handled Marples maybe?)
- a dovetail saw
- a tenon saw
- card and cabinet scrapers
And then there's the various sanders
Any type of woodworking is a slippery slope - a hole in the
gar - make that "shop" - into which money flows and
scraps and piles of sawdust float out - with an occassionaly
piece of furniture actually leaving. On the other hand,
the non-monatarized value - can be priceless.
Swingman's answer gets to the interesting question
I asked earlier "Can a tool change What you make AND
How you make it?" and the subsequent question "Can
joinery change What you make and How you make it?"
Adding mortise and tenon - or loose tenon mortise and
tenon - joinery to your woodworking capabilities will
certainly change your Project List. And if you have
the disposable income to purchase the Leigh FMT, the
DOMINO or the MultiRouter you're more apt to get to
M&T sooner and use them more often than you would
But - if you skip over doing some M&T joints using more
traditional hand tool methods - you'll miss a wonderful,
though occassionally frustrating, experience in your
woodworking journey. The use of handtools gives you
a better understanding of the woods you use, providing
feed back which you seldom get from power tools. And
the satisfaction obtained can make the "making" part
of the journey as valued - by you - as the finished piece.
And often, a hand tool will do the job faster and easier
than breaking out a power tool, setting it up, making
test cuts etc..
And Swingman wrote"
If you owned a MutiRouter I'd bet you wouldn't part with it
no matter what new tool came along. The Leigh FMT and
the DOMINO do mortise and tenons and loose tenon mortises.
The MultiRouter does all that AND a lot more. Probably
should add the WoodRat to the list as well.
But he does get points for trying to pick up a used
MultiRouter at a discounted price. Nice try ; ).
there's a Festools Owners Group you might want
to look into
FWIW, you will note that I have purposely limited my remarks/comments about
the Domino to those who have a specific need for increasing *productivity*
in a small shop environment, and with a very specific type of joinery ...
one you rarely see practised by hand (floating/loose tenon).
Not me ... actually, I think that was Upscale? But my reply to him was
almost verbatim what you said. :)
First let me say I do plan to purchase a dominio but dont think you
should. As charlieb pointed out theres too many items too purchase
before a Dominio. When you are ready to purchase a dominio dont forget
a vac. The dominio will not work correctly without a vac. I could use
my noisy shop vac but instead will purchase a festool CT22 vac. I do
have a central DC system but that wont cut it.You have to decide if
you want the Norm approach and have everything under power, or mix in
card scrapers, hand cut dovetails,, block plane etc. with the power
equip. A drill press wont make a mortise at the end of a long board so
you have to learn to make a tenon with TS,Router, hand cut , etc.The
festool stuff wont come down in price I agree, but the competitor
products, Multi-router,FMT etc allready are coming down in price I
suspect because of the dominio . Learn to make a tenon with more than
one way and make a morise with drill press, router, hand. A complete
woodworker knows different methods and does not rely on one.
You got a source for that? The M-R has not budged in price for years and a
check with the only retail outlet authorized to publish a price for the M-R
shows your statement to be suspect.
I can see MR owners adding a Domino to the quiver, not replacing one
with the other.
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You're right ... but strange things happen, and it would likely be someone
who used the M-R strictly for mortising. Even then I think it would be hard
to give up the variable/increased mortise depth and size.
I'm a BIG fan of the Domino, but, like it's first cousin the biscuit
jointer, it's plainly a one-trick-pony ... although one hell of a useful
Absolutely. Fortunately for the Domino that useful trick is very useful in
that it enables one to quickly and easily use the type joint that he should
be using in the first place rather than a joint reinforced by a biscuit or
pocket hole screw. That said, biscuits and pocket holes do have their
place, but they are also probably too convenient and are often used where a
M&T should be used.
I've played with the Domino in the woodworking store. I liked it.
Have not bought it yet because I have other uses for $1000 in the next
couple months and won't have any time for woodworking. I see value in
the Domino for the beginner, amateur woodworker because it will allow
him/her to complete a project quicker, easier. You will be more
productive. Yes the journey, process is important. But actually
making something is darn nice too. The Domino allows you to make
nice, good, quality mortise and tenon joints on normal sized pieces of
furniture in a minimum of time. Little to no setup or layout time
required. Just make a good mortise and tenon joint on your furniture
and move on to completing, finishing the project. Making something is
I do not use my DeWalt biscuit jointer much. I think of its biscuits
as a cheap joint not suitable for real woodworking. Unlike the Domino
loose tenon and mortise joints which I consider very acceptable joints
for good furniture. Biscuit jionter is mainly, only used for edge
jointing boards. And then the biscuits are just for alignment
purposes, not adding any strength. Despite Norm using the biscuit
jionter on every project it seems, I hardly use mine.
Drill press is a completely different tool. Useful for much more than
drilling mortises. You probably need a drill press with or without a
Domino or biscuit jointer. I use a U shaped jig and plunge router to
make mortises. And table saw and dado blade for tenons. Lots of
setup and time for a joint you never see. Domino would do the same,
similar joint so much faster. And if I needed really big tenons and
mortises, I could still do it with the plunge router and table saw for
that once a year or decade project. Domino would likely be used 99%
of the time on normal sized furniture. If I had to do it again, I
would not buy a biscuit jointer.
Can't answer this one, I don't own a Domino. Given the price, I
probably won't own one for a long time.
Not likely. Given the price of the Domino, I could buy a new drill
press, biscuit joiner and hollow chisel mortising machine and still
not come close to spending what it would take to buy a Domino. I
don't currently own a biscuit joiner, but have been contemplating
getting one. When I need to do glue ups that benefit from having
something to align the pieces, I use dowels. A doweling jig is
relatively inexpensive as are the dowels.
It's your money and if you've got enough of it--go for it. :)
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