So I've been told. The next time I see an unemployed young man being
carted around by his girlfriend because he has no concept or role
model of what it is to be a man, I'll remind myself that it's just a
joke. The next time I'm out riding with one of my buddies and all of a
sudden he has to go home because his wife/girlfriend called and wants
him to come home and do the dishes and why is he out riding around
without her, I'll just smile and tell myself it's all in fun. The next
time I hear in this group that some dude needs to work on his woman so
that she will let him buy a new tool, I will remember not to let my
hackles be raised because he's obviously just joshin around. :-)
Tis a wonderful thing.
Me? Call you? That must have been some other dude. I am always most
polite and restrained in conversation.
On Mon, 09 Jan 2006 14:35:50 -0800, Mighty Quinn wrote:
I recently discovered that one of my co-workers is into woodworking too,
so we've had a chance to 'talk shop' as it were a few times recently. Pity
he's a total normite though, didn't even know what a hand plane was till I
showed him a picture :(
Thanks! It's kind of a proto-project since it was put together with a
jigsaw, a powerdrill and a few wrenches (all hand-me-downs from my dad) it
wasn't until about a year after that was built that I really picked up
WWing as a hobby. Since those pictures were taken I've sanded it and put
a lite coat of mineral oil and a layer of paste wax on it, to pretty it
up a bit. I'm very pleased with it on a functional level but at some
point I'd like to redo it now that I more or less know what I'm doing and
make something a little prettier. I still brew but not as often as I used
to, beer consumption is down to the point where I only brew about four to
six times a year now. Five gallons of beer lasts a lot longer now than it
did when I was still in college... :-)
Still, I have cut my fingers open on my chisels. Too easy.
I am "the same" and "doing the same" as a hobby.
Tune it up. it's all over the 'net.
Now buy an old-but-decent Stanley No. 6 on eBay, I just bought one for
$21 there (+S/H). It makes a fine jointer for small work. Also try to find
a 3/4" or 1" shoulder plane for as cheap as possible. Stanley 78 with blade,
fence, nicker, and depth stop. Eventually.
Modern and plastic handled? Poor steel. Try these Buck Bros., excellent
steel with leather capped hickory handles, these 'bench chisels' are a *great
deal*: http://www.craftsmanstudio.com/html_p/BuckBrosChisels.htm I
have some of these, and they take a mean scary sharp edge too. On glass
and paper, I finish with 1200 grit from Harbour Freight, $5.99 for 20
sheets. The paring chisels are also important to have, I bought the crank
Another very effect way is with this Arkansas soft stone, best deal online
anywhere, eBay search engine: 7201427792 >jpfarm is a trustworthy
seller in my experience. See everything he's got.
After that, a leather strop of your own cutting (got a saddlery in town?),
Use cheap blue/gray emery cake on one half of the smooth top (hardware
store), and green Lee Valley 0.5 micron on the other. Mr. Lee suggests
using tallow in the leather, so I went to the market and got a bag of free
beef fat, chopped it up fine and boiled it to render over low heat with a lid
for about 45 minutes (lots of water), refrigerated, and took it off the top.
Unsalted butter is essentially the same, but too expensive. You can do as
good as can possibly be done with these two items. But I would still use the
1200 on glass for finalizing the back flattening, which also does further
deburring and mirroring.
Awesome! Got a mitre box? Bench hook? See 'Planing notes about the
shooting board: http://www.amgron.clara.net/index.htm and everything else.
You will also want to sharpen them when needed, you can make an adapter
made of Fir for the blades of saws that will fit into your bench's front vise.
You will need small triangular taper files with wooden handles, the size of
the file relates to points per inch. Instructions are all over the 'net.
If needed, go to a pool supply store and buy 'coping' to use as teeth
protectors. This is used for above ground pools to clip the lining to the top
edge. Super cheap, I paid $0.50 each for 24" pieces, but try to find 48" so
you can cut to size.
Depending on how the teeth are filed, a saw is either crosscut or rip, this
is specific for dovetail saws (rip), tennon saws (both) and both are used for
other small work. The more PPI, crosscut, the less PPI, rip. Same goes for
large hand saws, 8- 12 is crosscut, 5 - 7, rip. The filling shapes of the teeth
are different for both. What... you knew that? All over the 'net.
If you've gone and built a bench then you already have your "starter
kit". You can augment it by judicious shopping on eBay and through
neighborhood garage sales.
Get some glass and wet-dry sandpaper and learn to sharpen. It's much
cheaper than waterstones and you won't be out big bucks if you drop it
on the floor by accident some day. Sharp tools are essential to success,
especially to a neander-in-training.
You will reduce the sweat output on the next project by getting a decent
set of bench chisels (ranging from 1/4" to 1") and by tuning and
sharpening those planes. Likewise some files and rasps will serve you
well for shaping and contouring.
Get some garnet sandpaper in various grits and learn to put a nice
finish on your next pieces. (Sandpaper is a tool too.)
Pick up the above (piecemeal) as your next few projects require
(including shellac, stain, varnish, etc.)
With just chisels and your saws and planes you could build SWMBO a pine
or cedar blanket chest. If she likes it maybe she'll make a contribution
to your tool fund on your next birthday. (She will be more likely to
like the piece if you practice your dovetailing on your shop furniture
or personal toolbox first).
Consider also making some things for the kids. They won't toddle for
long. Kid size table, chairs, playthings, coat racks, toyboxes, etc. are
good skill builders and the kids will doubtless give your joinery a good
By then it should be obvious to you which tools you'll need for your
next project and whether to buy them or make them yourself. Most
everything a neander wants he can make -- except time.
Mighty Quinn wrote:
There are a lot of good responses so far. Cheap tools? Forget eBay for now.
Think local used.
Cost of shipping can be high, and the basic starter tools should be fairly easy
to find locally. If
you can't find it, try eBay last. It will be there, and there are some
bargains, unless it is
something I want/need....plus shipping/handling.
Make some time every month to hit a local old junk/antiques flea market or two
(avoid the ones full
of "new stuff"). Even SWMBO can enjoy something like this. Near Houston we
have route 105 which
has about 12 miles of various flea markets and yard sales, many of which can be
the answer to a
dumpster divers dreams. I've picked up chisels, hammer heads, screwdrivers, etc
for as little as 10
cents, yep, a dime, each. Planes, saws, squares, etc. cost more, but you can
still sometimes find
an old Stanley block plane for a couple of bucks. Look for the dirty stuff,
especially if it is in
piles. Claw through everything. Haggle over the prices. The dirt cleans up
easily, and so does
almost all of the rust. Price goes up by a factor of 10 if it has been washed
I outfitted a small one-man blacksmith shop this way, and never paid more than
$10 for any one item,
other than a set of hot/cold hardies and my big leg vise. I think I paid $35
for that. I got the
only straight pein hammer I've ever seen for a buck years ago. I'm gonna be
buried with that
Let your friends and family know what you're looking for. Offer to clean out
old sheds and garages
for what you can keep. Be amazed what Aunt Nellie has in the back shed. Might
be something you
could really use, then again, you might just be amazed at what a wild woman she
must have been in
her younger years (DAMHIKT).
Buy a good pocket knife and start whittling. Minimal material and space
requirements. Critters, wood chains, balls in cages, fans . . . ad
infinitum will get a lot of attention. I suggest a steel knife, not a
stone one unless you're a real Neanderthal purist.<G>
Once again, thanks. In the past 24 hours I've tracked down the local
contact for the Midwestern Tool Collectors Association (I knew living
in the midwest had advantages). Seems they have a 'meet' in March. I'm
saving my pennies now.
You guys are great - and knowledgable. These idea's will keep me going
for some time to come. I'll be scoping out the used tool stores as
Still, I must comment on Joe Barta's comments about SWMBO. First, I'm
a big fan of Rumpole of the Bailey, so I love the euphamism. Second,
regarding your role models for female relationships: Humphrey Bogart
was married four times. John Wayne was married three. Errol Flynn
also married three times, and was courting a 15-year-old when he died.
Neanderthals they may be, but I'm really hoping to stick with just one
wife for now. I'm very happy with Mrs. Mighty Quinn :-)
Thanks again everyone. I'll post updates on this Neanderthal's
progress (or lack thereof).
I guess that depends on whether you mean "most users of the term" in the
world at large, or just those of us posting here.
If the former, I don't really know. Of the latter, I think most folks
here know the derivation, and understand the humor involved. Tongue in
cheek, and all of that ...
Of course, YMMV.
Oh, so I've just misunderstood? It's all a big joke? So when a man
says that SWMBO "won't let him" do this that or the other thing, he's
just kidding? Ha ha? And when another suggests he needs SWMBO's
approval or overcome her veto in order to buy some power tool, he's
And do you think there are any modern women who use the term HWMBO?
There was a movie I saw recently about a young man whose father came
from India to live with him in America after the father's wife died.
The son's wife was a modern yuppie frazzled controlling headcase and
she was running to work leaving their small child with a nanny. The
older father asked his son, why do you permit her to work? To which
the son didn't have much of an answer other than it doesn't work like
that in this country. It was an interesting clash of culture.
I say no one needs to obey anyone... unless it's a cop... and he's
pointing a gun at you... and he tells you to put your hands behind
your head. Then it might be wise to obey now and argue about it later
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