Sometime ago someone on thsi group replaced his NEW DELTA
with a Powermatic and I can not find out why? or what the problem was
with the New Delta...?
Anyhow after almost 40 years of use my Crapsman 12 inch bandsaw
has reached the point that I really should replace it... I do very
little resawing (naturally because I own the above machine) and do not
see a lot of resawing in my future... but I imagine I would "pop" for
a raiser kit ...
Which Delta is considered the best...and how does it match up with the
14 inch Powermatis... Color makes no difference since I paint all my
tools blue anyway... lol
Would like to keep the price under a $1,000 ...
Bob, the Powermatic IS under a grand. It is smooth, well constructed,
has a light, a cut-line blower, lower wheel brush, large table, better
guides, Carter release, serpentine style belt. I've had a Delta and
didn't like it due to lack of features and smoothness. Can't fathom why
anyone seeing the two side by side and then asking the salesman to plug
them in, would choose any but the Powermatic.
Bob G. wrote:
I have the X-5 Delta model which is really the 28-248 with a few extras as
part of their promotion. This is their "best" under $1000, 14 in. saw. I
have been very happy with it. I have the Fine Woodworking 2005 Tool Guide
and they rated both the Delta and Powermatic as "Best Overall" under $1000.
The Delta was the better choice for me, availability wise, but the
Powermatic certainly rates very highly as well. I don't think you would be
disappointed with either.
I was in your position a few months ago, considering the Powermatic
14CS and the Delta X5. I ultimately went with the Delta and have been
reasonbly pleased with my decision, although I suspect I would have
been happy with the Powermatic as well.
American Woodworker, Oct 2004, has a very informative article comparing
various saws under $1000 -- the most comprehensive article I have ever
seen comparing tools. You can get it free online, I believe. They
placed these two saws as the best under $1000, with a slight edge to
I was surprised that this article continually emphasized that for a 14"
bandsaw, you will do better with cool blocks than Carter bearings
unless you plan on resawing with a 1/2" blade for most of the time.
While I do some resawing, the bulk of my bandsawing is cutting curves
with 1/4" blades, so the cool blocks was the best option. Hence,
Powermatic's Carter bearings were actually a negative for me.
Powermatic, however, comes with lots of extras. On the other hand,
while a fence is not included with the Delta, you can obtain a good
fence (I have the Kreg/Fasttrak) for around $100. Cool blocks will
cost you less then $15. And a very useful battery-powered magnetic
penlamp (Band-Lite) from Ittura's catalog will add $28. Note that if
you use 220v power, you will possibly have a problem with the
Powermatic lamp anyway, so the Powermatic lamp may not be an extra at
all. Bottom line, not too much is needed beyond the cost of the Delta
to bring it up to the Powermatic's level.
And the X5 has an awesome tension-release mechanism. I don't know if
the Powermatic has something as nice.
Finally, for what is worth, the Delta X5 that I received is listed as
1.5HP on the box and 12. amps on the bandsaw door, BUT on the engine
plate (where it counts) it is listed as 2HP at 15amps! Now I know that
15amps is unlikely to put out a true 2HP (more like 1.75HP if the motor
is reasonably efficient), but I wonder if the Delta X5 has a bit more
power than the Powermatic or if Delta is experimenting with a more
powerful engine. Maybe Jeff can weigh in on this too. The Powermatic
web site is silent about the amperage of the 14CS.
Regardless of the pros and cons of these two saws, I'm sure either saw
will bring a smile to your face when you power it up.
Not really sure I need an 18 inch Bandsaw...my 12 inch Crapsman has
doen all I have asked of it for almost 40 years ...but its time to
finally replace my next to last Crapsman machine that I bought went I
was getting started in the woodworking hobby....
I'll check it out...but at this toime in my life and with the work
that I do the Delta or Powermatic seems just fine...
Thanks to everyone who replied... Guess it was Dave who canned the
Delta because of vibration.... that was what I was looking for
FWIW, I had a shot a 2 month old Jet 18" for $600 when I bought my
A local woodworking school has the Jet 18 and the Delta 14 side by
side. After using both on actual work, and discussing things with
school employees, I bought the Delta X5.
Delta left parts out of both my X5 band saw box and my DJ-20. Both
tools took a month each to get running due to the missing parts. Once
I got the whole thing, I've been very happy with the saw. I've added
Delta's front sheet metal DC connection ($28), a magnetic light ($14),
and Cool Blocks ($10). I don't use a "real" band saw fence,
preferring to clamp jointed wood or single point rests in place when I
need them. I adjust for drift with mallet taps. <G>
I chose the Delta over the Jet due to the higher table and better
motor. Other folks might prefer a lower table. The PM was not
available locally, but it looks like a good saw. However, I prefer
Cool Blocks over bearings.
Before you run out and drop $1000 on one tool just something to think
about, but every so often (about 3-4 times a year) there's a decent 8"
jointer in the paper in good condition for $500 and I've got the
Grizzly G0555 14" and love it ($425 w/shipping on sale). So I guess
what I'm saying is if you've survived this long on a crapsman 12"
(which I've used and the Grizzly WAY surpasses the crapsman) why not
get 2 tools for one. The only reason I mention the jointer is because
of all the tools in my shop (including my contractors style 2hp
tablesaw -- nice but not a cabinet saw) I'd really like to replace my
6" jointer with an 8".
Anyway, maybe you've thought the same thing about your bandsaw and love
everything else in your shop so what the hey, right? Just thought I'd
stir the pot a bit first :)
Oh, and I use my bandsaw for all my ripping, and even resaw 6" stock
from time to time with great satisfaction in the final result. I'd say
my bandsaw is my favorite tool in my shop and unless someone handed me
a free Laguna 18" I'll probably never replace it (did I mention I like
Good luck and enjoy the new tool!
Thanks again guys....
a few years ago (before I stopped going to woodworking shows because
they were mostly a complete waste of time) I did look at Bandsaws and
to be honest I was quite suprised at the LOW Table heights that many
of the larger saws had... My Table height is now close to 42 inches
and I sure do not want anything lower then that.
I was a young guy fresh out of college and the army in the mid 60's
when I got into woodworking...and about 99 % of my tools were
purchased with a sears credit card at sears... Over the years I have
replaced all but the floor model drill press (that thing is a
workhorse) and the bandsaw...
I am now in my 60's retired and spend a lot of time in the shop
and the Bandsaw is the only saw that really does not completely
satisfy me... My original 6" Rockwell jointer still works just fine
dead on the money no real need...nor really no desire to go looking
for an 8 in jointer... I have been using a Jet Cabinet saw with a Bies
Fence for the last 15 years and my son may wear it out after I die
..that is not my problem...
Just want to replace the last of my ok but not that great tools with
something that pleases me... what can I say... Money...? LOL
hate to say this but I am not rich but what the hell I can't take any
with me... rather spend some to make myself happy ... NOW !
There is a woodcraft store down close to Baltimore think I just may
call them and see if they stock Both Powermatic and Delta and this
Rikon saw... if they do then I may hop in the truck and check them out
side my side... same thing I did when I purchased the Cabinet
Saw...the Jet was my choice BUT only because the table was machined
better then the Delta Unisaw ...IT shined better... lol...hell of a
reason BUT 15 years later I have absolutely no complaints..
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