Gluing cedar

It's an oily wood. Try cleaning with Acetone first, or using epoxy.

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I hand-planed the joint today to see how it looked and it failed! The temps went to 45 last night. The glue is relatively new. I didn't clamp it but y ou had to wriggle in the piece because the joint was fairly tight. I've rar ely worked with cedar. Is it resistant to yellow wood glue?

Thanks, Jeff. I'll give epoxy a shot.

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Thanks, Jeff. I'll give epoxy a shot.

---------------------------------------------------- Epoxy doesn't like 45F.

Try to maintain at least 65F until the epoxy kicks.

BTW, you also want to clean with acetone first.

Lew

IME, it's none of the above.

Ah, got it.

Thanks, Lew. I tried Gorilla glue for the heck of it. But I'll also experiment with acetone and epoxy.

Will acetone help yellow glue set, or is yellow glue just not an option?

Fresh unweathered cedar is "resistant" to most glues. Polyurethanes like "gorilla glue" work inmany cases - and wiping down with acetone before gluing can help as it removes the natural oil from the surface/fibers. The right moisture content (less than about 15%, but not too dry (like less than 5%) will let normal wood glues cure properly

hand-planed the joint today to see how it looked and it failed! The temps went to 45 last night. The glue is relatively new. I didn't clamp it but yo u had to wriggle in the piece because the joint was fairly tight. I've rare ly worked with cedar. Is it resistant to yellow wood glue?

I think this might be a case of really dry cedar. I got several wide boards free from someone who was cleaning out his shed and wanted to get rid of t hem. They had obviously been there a while. I thought I would make a few bo xes out of them, but the gluing issue might make this a series of cumbersom e projects.

------------------------------------------- Like epoxy, yellow glue doesn't like anything much below 60F.

Acetone won't help yellow glue set, but it will help prepare the surface to receive the y/g.

Lew

--------------------------------------- Now you tell us.

Time to fire up the grill and use those planks to grill cedar planked .

Google "cedar planked fish", for lots of recipies.

Lew

Acetone simply cleans the surface, I think you should look at the working temp range on the bottle.

I have glued the cedar picket on occasion with good results. I have had glue failures with oak face to plywood in temps not quite as cool as what you were working in.

hand-planed the joint today to see how it looked and it failed! The temps w ent to 45 last night. The glue is relatively new. I didn't clamp it but you had to wriggle in the piece because the joint was fairly tight. I've rarel y worked with cedar. Is it resistant to yellow wood glue?

Temp is one issue. Cedar should be fine with yellow glue as long as it is k iln or air dried to lumber status. However, yellow glue depends on pressure as part of the curing process. Otherwise there is no assurance you get muc h bond. Sounds like no pressure in this situation. I would use something li ke system 3 T-88 epoxy. No pressure required per-se.

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I hand-planed the joint today to see how it looked and it failed! The temps went to 45 last night. The glue is relatively new. I didn't clamp it but y ou had to wriggle in the piece because the joint was fairly tight. I've rar ely worked with cedar. Is it resistant to yellow wood glue?

kiln or air dried to lumber status. However, yellow glue depends on pressu re as part of the curing process. Otherwise there is no assurance you get m uch bond. Sounds like no pressure in this situation. I would use something like system 3 T-88 epoxy. No pressure required per-se.

Thanks. I'm going to make another joint, bring it in the house, and clamp u p a little bit. I do not enjoy working with gorilla glue.

I just un-clamped some cedar boards that I edged glued into panels for shelves. They were very dry boards on which I ripped fresh edges and joined, three-wide, with regular yellow Elmers carpenter glue, tightly clamped with good parallel clamps.

First inspection: everything is normal, glue is dried and boards are staying together, tightly. I'll report back if anything changes.