I currently belong to a few forums . . . Is there a reason this group does
not have a forum with a WEB site . . . How hard would it be to do this?
Would this not eliminate the "crap" postings . . Any suggestions
appreciated . . . I have not found any woodworking forums . .
Perhaps it is that most consider it cowardly and unamerican to give
up their freedom (to do whatever they want while acknowledging their
responsibilities to their fellow man) in exchange for the security
that a moderator would provide. They want to deal with the terror
on a more personal level, and acquire the weapons to do so.
They seem to have missed out on the last part. Giving the devil his
due, I belong to a local private newsgroup that has been completely
bankrupt, largely by the efforts of one person who finally declared
himself the moderator, being somehow employed by that ISP. People
simply left, as he played the Wizard of Oz, pulling levers and strings
in the background, and sticking his nose into each and every bit of
conversation. Now, all you'll see are a long, long list of his
personal "contributions", with a few odd replies from fellow
employees, the number of which can be counted on one hand. I left
some time back.
It's a constant argument. People have a right to smoke [even though
it makes them stink, they have the right.] They have a right to run
around naked. They just don't have that right in a mixed society that
generally condemns it. Yup, it's the last part that's missing.
Most of us prefer the conversation dynamics of a usenet group, despite
occasional troubles like this. But for those poor misguided souls <g>
who prefer a web interface, there are several good ww web forums.
Two big ones are www.woodcentral.com and www.forums.woodnet.net. Wood
central (I believe) has archives of the grand daddy of web ww forums,
Badger Pond. Both are good resources, although I find the forums
themselves a real pain compared to usenet.
My favorite web ww forum is much smaller, Sawmill Creek
www.sawmillcreek.org. Tightly monitored (and yes, that does have its
drawbacks. open to guest browsing, but only members can post, with
their full names--no handles. Keeps it very civil (maybe sometimes too
civil, if an atrocious idea is not soundly enough condemned). But lots
of folks there (particularly in the design and neander forums) really
know their stuff.
Finally another option I will probably kick myself for mentioning:
google groups tries to make usenet work like a web forum.
Unfortunately, a large number of google group users use it like a web
forum, with no quoting of articles to which they are replying, etc.,
and as a result, many folks just set filters to ignore posts coming
from google groups. As a result, you might find this group less
responsive to your questions if you go that route.
Alex -- Replace "nospam" with "mail" to reply by email. Checked infrequently.
Thanks everyone . . . I'm sorry I just looked at this group as a way to gain
"experience" in an accelerated manner . . . without losing body parts or
mass amounts of good wood turned to saw dust . . .
But I now understand the freedom aspect . . . seems unimportant now with
everyone still worshiping the puppet masters . . .
Bush & Cheney . . . .
Nothing stopping you from doing so, except yourself, that is.
"the freedom aspect", as you put it, may not be what you think it is.
Just as you are free to visit, read, write to, or complain about this
newsgroup, you are equally free to ignore it. Bear in mind that others
are equally free to do the same.
You are also free to start a moderated forum, be it web-based or
usenet based (you might try learning the difference). There are, as
others have pointed out, web-based fora you can participate in. It's
up to you to decide where you go to get your information, just as it's
up to everyone else to do the same.
That you see many folks participating here is de facto proof that not
everyone agrees with your opinion. That's another aspect of freedom,
bub. You put your opinion out there for everyone to see, and you can
be virtually certain that there will be those that disagree with it.
Get used to it.
Bush/Cheney have nothing to do with it. Sometimes a cigar is just a
Yes. It's a newsgroup. It's usenet. Look it up.
No idea. I don't feel obligated to provide you with a forum and a way
to look at it.
Maybe, but then, it might not. If it did, it might eliminate some (or
many) non-crap postings too. A forum isn't much use if it's moderated
by someone who kills postings that he disagrees with, and many
moderators have found out the hard way that they are preaching to
I suggest you do what you think is right for you, and stop whining
that your needs are not being met by a random bunch of folks that are
under no obligation to satisfy your every whim.
1. You haven't looked hard enough
2. You haven't acted on the (at least 2) postings that pointed you to
Come back when you've grown up. Or not, it's your choice.
Refined, gracious, and articulate, ain't he? ;-)
If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough
Steve DeMars (in NAoag.65572$5Z.18862@dukeread02) said:
| To all you have misunderstood my post . . . Yes I am ignorant as to
| USENET vs a moderated forum . . . I apologize for my ignorance. The
| reason I suggested a forum is I enjoy and appreciate all the help I
| have received here. I viewed the "trash" post as something that was
| permanent . . . I had already contacted my I.P. to get server space
| for a forum, but had no idea what was involved in operating one . .
| nor did I realize how one was run . . . again I apologize for my
| lack of knowledge in this area . . .
'S ok. We all started out not knowing much. The trash will age and
become invisible before long. Perhaps it would help you to know that,
as with most usenet "help" fora, people are upset to one degree or
another whenever someone dumps their load of manure where we like to
meet - and we're all subject to bad days.
There's a lot of practical woodworking expertise on tap here - and
most of the people with that expertise are here because they enjoy
sharing it with other people. The guys you locked horns with have
given evidence over an extended period that [a] they're good people
and [b] they're pretty savvy woodworkers. I'd encourage you to cut 'em
some slack because they've earned it.
Welcome to usenet and the wreck.
DeSoto, Iowa USA
On Mon, 15 May 2006 23:39:51 -0500, "Steve DeMars"
Steve, if I have your leave to call you that, and I only mean the
familiarity in a neighborly way - rec.woodworking, aka rec.norm, aka
The Wreck, is a special sorta place in the sphere of Uselessnet.
There are never more than about three hundred posters who are active
in the course of a year.
There are far fewer who are active on a weekly basis.
There are only a piddling amount of folks who chime in every day.
It is a closely held community of wooddorkers, most of whom have known
each other for more than five years.
If you hang out here for a bit you will find the usual range of
humans. Some folks are gems and others are dross.
We have never felt a need for moderation because the group is
basically self-moderating. If someone is being an asshole on a given
day, the group will let them know - bigtime.
I have always found it to be a place of fair minded exchage, albeit
somewhat suspect of new ideas, not backed up by demonstrable evidence
- which seems fair.
The group seems to be generally intolerant of coarse language,
although they enjoy the occassional rough joke - like the kind my
Uncle Al tells from time to time.
I can tell you that the way to fit in is to hang in and take the lumps
that come with being the FNG in any group that you have ever tried to
The Wreck is a fair place. It has been for all of the time that I've
hung out here, and that goes back to 1994.
Tell us what you know. Ask us what you don't know. Don't try to
change the place because it never has and it prolly never will - that
seems fair, too.
Welcome to the Wreck, Brother.
I wish you much enjoyment of it.
tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
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