know about now.<<<
I think sears had them for $199 the last time I looked. I caught them with
their britches down when I bought mine several years ago. They had them on
sale for, I believe $179. I got a Craftsman club 10% discount off that then
My sears retiree 10% discount off of that and walked out the door giggling.
I'm not breaking 'em off on you, but please answer a question for me.
Knowing that a particular Craftsman router is an exact, re-branded
Bosch, and both are the same price, why would you choose the Craftsman
version over the original?
This question has no right or wrong answer, I'm looking for your point
With the Craftsman version I was able to walk out of the store with the
router in my hands. With the Bosch, I would've had to wait a few days.
It was just a matter of instant gratification I guess.
That generalization is as over-generalized as the previous one (which
also caught my eye)... :)
It all depends on how they're reprocessed and into what--in general
plastics can't be reprocessed (economically) back into the same or
similar plastics as the were originally as they are complex
hydrocarbons that tend to break down.
Metals, otoh, while in general much simpler to return to a similar
state, are also subject to the economic constraints of reprocessing in
which they tend to be mixed up into various combinations from the
collection process, but carbon steels can and are returned to forms
that are essentially indistinguishable for practical purposes of
functional strength, etc.
I would attribute any differences in quality of an end product not to
reprocessing per se, but to a lessening of product specifications in
response to target market niche. So, while there may be some truth in
the original claim (which I don't know, but tend to doubt as stated),
the net effect isn't so much owing directly to recycling but a
combination of decisions of which recycled materials are at best only a
How's that for obfuscation? :)
I've just had my 2nd Craftsman router fail. A year ago I had three
routers: my fathers Craftsman that must be 30+ years old, and two newer
craftsman models. Care to guess which of the three is still running?
Oh well, now I get to start shopping for a good router...
What is the failure mode? My cheapie Craftsman stopped running one day
about 4 years ago, and I was able to fix it by removing the top cover
and reattaching the wire that had come loose. That was before I
replaced it with the Craftsman/Bosch that I use now. I still have the
old one, and it still works--I just don't use it any more.
The first one just stopped working. I took it apart and tried to
isolate a bad connection or switch but couldn't locate the problem -
then as I dug further into the router, I opened part of the case that
held all of the springs and such for the plunge mechanisim. BOING!!
Little parts everywhere. Humpty Dumpty.
The most recent one has a shaft lock slider that seems to cut the power
when depressed. Something in that electrical cutoff is bad because it
will only run if I press up on the slider - which makes it kind of
difficult to concentrate on the work at hand. I will try to fix this
one, but I'm still going to start looking for a decent quality router
setup - it is just so frustrating to have to stop working and fiddle
around with crappy equipment.
I always chuckle when I see people engaging in tool brand wars. Good
work comes from good craftsmen. I rather imagine that Isaac Stern
could have made an $80 violin sound better than I could do with a
Stradivarius - quite a bit better :) I learned this lesson working
on the electronics on the fishing fleet in Alaska as a kid. Parts
were hard to get and advanced diagnostic tools were almost entirely
absent or impossible to use. Try dragging a 40 lbs test rig
up the ice encrusted side of an 80 foot mast and you get real good
at doing major work with minimal tools. It was a lesson well learned.
My consistent experience in every discipline I've ever attempted has
been that, the better you get at something, the less critical the
variety and kind of tools you use becomes. There are exceptions -
never try to properly torque a bolt with a pair of pliers - but in
the main, this rule has worked for me.
Craftsman power tools are not the finest built, but sometimes it's all
you have or can afford, and I've seen some fine work done with them.
Besides, you can often "mod" them to make things work your way. I have
this Craftsman table saw ....
It isn't a Delta or Grizzly cabinet saw, but I managed to
crank out one or two things with it that made me, at least,
Given the time, space, and money, I'd no doubt opt for a different
saw. But as I have these three commodities in very limited supply,
my "Crapsman" will just have to do.
Here's to another 38 years of happy WWing to you and your router...
P.S. Wanna bet that Van Gogh never had endless debates with his
peers about what brushes he was using?
Tim Daneliuk firstname.lastname@example.org
I always scratch my head a wonder what turnip truck they fell off of.
You are also right on great craftsmen, my great, great grand dad (civil war
vet) who turned out beautiful walnut furniture complete with hand cut dove
tails would have been tickled to death if he had, had a 10" Craftsman table
saw or $99 Harbor Freight special to work with. RM~
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