Consumer Products Safety Commision - New table saw rules on the horizon. (sawstop, et. al.)

Sep 29, 2011 52 Replies

Bill wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@news4.newsguy.com:

I used to store my table saw not plugged in and rolled it out to the driveway to do work. It is just as heavy as always, just as large, and still looks and feels like a saw. So, yes, plugged in or not it's still a table saw.

I cut my finger on a brand new saw blade while opening the package. Is that a table-saw related injury (it very well could have been for installation on the CMS)?

Puckdropper

Great. Have at it. I much prefer my Unisaur, at less than half the price.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- When they offer a saw stop with a 5 HP motor and a 12 or 14 inch blade, I'll be listening.

-- Jim in NC

Yeah, if the toe kick knocks over ajar...it wood knot be punny.

Mike Paulsen wrote in news:YjSgq.181$8c4.60 @newsfe18.iad:

Committee meeting Oct 5:

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top portion: Commission Meeting Wednesday, October 5, 2011

10:00 a.m. ? 11:00 a.m. Hearing Room 420

Open to the Public

Matter to be Considered

Decisional Matter: Table Saws Advance Notice of Proposed Rulemaking

A live webcast of the Meeting can be viewed at

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What happened?

Did you drop it on your foot? Run into it while playing roller-skate hockey in the garage?

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interesting tidbits in the comments, such as anecdotal 'evidence' of the big tool companies working together to develop a SawStop alternative, expired prior patents that would fulfill the anticipated performance requirements, etc.

I'm betting the performance requirements pass, major changes are made, and SawStop is out of business in 10 years. Hubris, and all that.

R

to argue either way, you still need to read it:

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Stephen Gass, a patent attorney, has filed more than 120 U.S. patent applications, and has over 70 issued U.S. patents which pertain to the SawStop technology.

Stephen Gass told the U.S. government that it should assume that no manufacturer will be able to introduce injury mitigation technology that does not infringe on his patents.

After the PTI-JV technology became known, SawStop amended one of their then-pending patent applications to purportedly cover any table saw that retracts the blade rapidly within 14 milliseconds ? using any retraction technique after detecting contact. This patent application which was subsequently allowed by the U.S. Patent Office, is arguably not limited to SawStop's blade brake technology for retracting the blade, but rather is designed to cover any retraction technique, hindering the development of alternative blade retraction technologies and blocking competing inventors from using their own inventions.

I believe the only remedy is to allow the gummint to mandate SS use, build a knock off on a saw, sell it, let Gass sue you, file an anti-trust suit against the monopoly, and have the patent seized by the gummint, nullifying the infringement. Then everyone is happy, fingers are safe, and saws aren't priced out of reach.

The only one to lose this time is the frackin' speaking weasel! For a change.

-- Good ideas alter the power balance in relationships, that is why good ideas are always initially resisted. Good ideas come with a heavy burden. Which is why so few people have them. So few people can handle it. -- Hugh Macleod

There could be other advantages to the SawStop patents. One of the manufacutrers may offer an alternative like a CNC router or laser as a replacement for a spinning saw blade.

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