email@example.com (Mike Reed) wrote in message
Heck, even best case senerio I could only get two cars in the garage.
With my truck, my wife's van, my son's car and my daughters car, all I
would accomplish is hiding two of them. Then I would never get them
out because the remaining two would be blocking them in. I have a nice
concrete two lane driveway that could easily hold 8 or more cars. My
family's cars are reasonably late model (1999 to 2002) and not on
blocks. I admit I don't care if the neighbors would prefer all cars to
be hidden. Lastly as I said earlier it is seldom sunny in Pittsburgh
so UV isn't a concern - chipping off ice can be though ;)
firstname.lastname@example.org (David Hall) wrote in message
Yeah, our kids are < 2 right now, so I expect to have my priorities
shift in the coming years...
I don't see how keeping 4 in the driveway is any easier to manage than
2 in the garage and 2 in the driveway. The back two are still the
first out ;)
That's a myth. Clouds block a lot of IR radiation, but not much of the
UV, depending on the type of cloud. Most of the time they just scatter
the UV. You can get a bad sunburn in cloudy weather, but most people
are covered up since the blocked IR makes it cooler.
email@example.com (Mike Reed) wrote in message
Depends on how you line them up and stagger them (ya get kinda
scientific about it after so many times getting up on a cold morning
and having to shuffle 3 cars to get out of the driveway). Also, since
the garage is 90 degrees to the driveway, there has to be "backing
out" room left in the driveway.
I have been in Arizon and the hottest, sunniest day in August in
Pittsburgh does not have the solar intensity of a cloudy day in March
in Phoenix. I can't remember the last time I saw someone put one of
those cardboard sun reflectors on their dashboard in Pittsburgh - I
never have - but I have never seen seriously cracked or faded dashes
on cars under 10 years old here either. That just ain't the case in
AZ. So, I guess I might house my car if I lived in AZ or at least add
a carport to the driveway.
You can pick up a lot of additional natural light:
These collect a lot of sunlight and funnel it down from your roof. Far
more effective than skylights.
Getting power, heat, etc. out to a shed is a big pain and not DIY.
On 9 Feb 2004 15:06:51 -0800, firstname.lastname@example.org (Joshua) wrote:
Any chance that you could expand your exsisting garage outward ...or
backward.... ? That way you could use the garage as a garage/shop or
just banish the cars entirely and have a 19 by 35-40 foot shop...
I have a 20x40 foot garage and I have a 2 story 24x24 foot garage with
my woodshop now located UPSTAIRS... NOT good...buy workable... ( I
restore cars as a second hobby) ..
On 9 Feb 2004 15:06:51 -0800, email@example.com (Joshua) scribbled:
This is a plus, not a minus. Like Charlie Self says, cars belong
outside, that's why they're painted so well. Note that I live in the
Yukon. Two weeks ago, at a temperature of -45C (-49F) I had to use a
propane tiger torch to get the car started. I still wouldn't put it in
Highly unlikely, breakers for 240 take the same space as two breakers
Sound proofing may be needed. Can you hear your cars or the garage
door opening now?
And how often do you work on your lawn? How many seconds will you have
to waste bringing it to the front?
So could your garage.
The only real advantage. But you could still build a shed to store
stuff (woodworking of course).
That's pretty small for the usual complement of stationary tools: TS,
planer, jointer, BS, DP, lathe.
Wood floor seems to be the consensus. Wood floor on slab is prolly the
Yes, if the temperature inside the shed (actually the tools'
temperature) is cooler than outside temperature when there is high
humidity outside. True anywhere.
You are most welcome.
Replace "nonet" with "yukonomics" for real email address
First off, good luck on this. I am in the process
of building my first true workshop and enjoyed the
process. It's part of our brand new house, so it
was easy to attach the workshop next to the garage,
something to consider for yourself? I plan to
use the garage for lumber storage and perhaps
assembly. My new shop will has a flat, even with
with the grade, floor, so I can roll out into
the driveway, if needed. I live in No. Calif.
(above the Golder Gate) and we have moderate temps
all year. My shop will be under 325 sq feet, and
I was hoping for me, but I can live with it.
Suggestions that I've read that helped me is to
figure out what you need as far as tools and
then work around that, allowing for growth. My
sense is that storage becomes a big issue later
on as you acquire more lumber. Get yourself
some grid paper and sketch things out. Wood Magazine
had a whole set of articles on building workshops
and it was filled with good tips including a
sheet that you can photocopy or scan with templates
for tools. You'll see how quickly 200sqft can
Oh, as far as going through the permit process?
It doesn't have to be a pain. The biggest thing
is of course, is the added taxes that it could
bring and here in Calif. the fees beyond
the permit fee itself can be high.
Thanks to everyone for all the tips and advice. I am currently
checking into what it would cost me to build a ~400 sq.ft. external
workshop. If the price is in my range (including getting the
electrical hookup!), that's how I will go. Otherwise, I think I'll
just get creative with the garage ;)
One more question for the group: For those of you with dedicated shops
with wood floors, do you know how the wood floor is constructed? Is
it like a standard subfloor (e.g., plywood over joists)? Is it built
directly on a slab or is it raised like a conventional floor?
Thanks once again!
firstname.lastname@example.org (Joshua) wrote in message
"Details" _always_ vary by local jurisdiction. The only way to know for
sure what's "legal" in _your_ territory is to: (a) read all the laws yourself,
or (b) ask somebody 'official', who know -- like the building inspector.
Note: no matter what _you_ *think* the law says, what the =inspector= thinks
it says is what governs. :)
*Almost* invariably, a 'permanent structure' requires a building permit.
"small" out-buildings -- like those 6'x6' up to 8'x12' or so, "sheds"
that Sears, and the various BORG, sell in kit form -- are _usually_ exempt.
As is a doghouse (to carry things to extremes :).
"Movable" things don't require a _building_ permit. Makes a pair of low-frame
moving trailers -- parked 'intimately' side-by-side, with the adjacent doors
opened, and the join gasketed -- an "interesting" concept. circa 500 sq ft
At the low-floor level, and lots of storage over the wheels at each end.
Or the semi-trailer type known as an 'expand-a-van').
Caveat: other restrictions -- zoning, etc. -- may apply.
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