In a Political Science class I once had it was pointed out that year
after year there is a proven direct correlation between the
consumption of ice cream and the incidence of rape. Look at any year
and you will see that starting in January as the total amount of ice
cream per week or month increases, so do the number of reported rapes.
Some might be tempted to proclaim that this is proof that the
consumption of ice cream causes rape and decide that we should outlaw
ice cream. I suppose others might conclude that rapists must consume
vast quantities of ice cream after doing their crime and thus police
should stake out Ben & Jerrys to look for rapists.
Others might be tempted to note that both ice cream consumption and
rape tend to increase and decrease as outside temperatures vary.
I believe Mark Twain noted that there are three kinds of lies...lies,
damned lies and statistics.
| In a Political Science class I once had it was
pointed out that
| year after year there is a proven direct correlation
| consumption of ice cream and the incidence of rape.
Look at any | year and you will see that starting in
January as the total
| amount of ice cream per week or month increases, so
| number of reported rapes. Some might be tempted to
proclaim | that this is proof that the consumption of
ice cream causes rape | and decide that we should
outlaw ice cream. I suppose others
| might conclude that rapists must consume vast
quantities of ice | cream after doing their crime and
thus police should stake out
| Ben & Jerrys to look for rapists.
| Others might be tempted to note that both ice cream
| consumption and rape tend to increase and decrease as
| temperatures vary.
| I believe Mark Twain noted that there are three kinds
| lies...lies, damned lies and statistics.
| Dave hall
Reminds me of the book "How To Lie With Statistics" by
Darrell Huff. It covers a multitude of ways to mislead
(lie) people. It's probably time to blow the dust off
it and re-read, refresh and re-arm myself.
My generation never got a break. When I was young they
taught me to respect my elders. Now that I am older,
Not only that-- the way they scale their charts is almost always
extremely misleading. Say, for example, they've got some stat that's
gone from 1012 up to 1097 over some period of time. That's under 8.5%,
not very impressive really. So they start the Y axis of the damned
chart at 1000 instead of zero and end at 1100. Now the number goes from
near the bottom to near the top, and it looks like whatever they're
reporting has octupled. It drives me crazy.
Very true that is why I asked. I used to crunch numbers and I would
always ask what they wanted the chart to look like. You can take
exactly the same dataset and make the answer pretty much whatever you
want, simply by adjusting the terms of the view.
The SawStop would cut plastic just fine. I don't know about aluminum
but it will cut embedded nails and staples without triggering the stop
action. Since the SawStop is cabinet saw (a very good one from the
reviews), I don't see the point of the construction comments.
I know of woodworkers who have lost fingers to table saws because of a
moments distraction. The SawStop would have prevented those accidents.
And no, I don't work for SawStop or sell them. I'm one of those Harry
I have heard of this happening several times from posters in the group.
LeeValley has gone this route and I would not be suprised if WoodCraft
follows that trend now that they actually sell the SawStop.
I have only heard of 1 complaint/problem with the SawStop having a false
positive. SawStop corrected the problem and IIRC the person having the
problem was reported to have later had a positive trigger that saved him
from injury. Do a DAGS to locate the post in this group.
Other than that I have only heard and read praise about the machine from
I think the machine itself is great. The saw appears well-made,
operates smoothly, generally a nice piece of equipment. The stopping
mechanism is impressive to watch (saw it at a wood show).
At the moment it's too expensive for me as a home user (half again as
much as a made-in-Canada General?), and I think the political
machinations are despicable.
Well perhaps in the future as the contractor versions come out or as other
manufacturers follow Powermatic in starting to add more safety features the
saw will come down in price.
IMHO until you actually loose a digit you may never agree with how it is
brought to market. I was always careful and lost half of my thumb to my
old Craftsman saw. As careful as I am I still had the accident after
finishing the cut and after turning the saw off. My position is that in
this particular case I think every one would benefit from this device
because proper technique does not guarantee freedom from injury. Say a
child sneaks into your shop and turns the saw on and the unthinkable
happens. There are millions of possibilities.
I am kind of like a parent that becomes involved in the prevention of a
disease after he looses a child to that disease. You really don't see the
big picture until it is too late. The government got involved and required
kids to be immunized before starting school and as a result many child hood
diseases were almost wiped out. Unfortunately the government does not
enforce this as strictly it has in the past and some of those diseases are
on the rise. I am sure there are still some parents that wish the
government had not gotten involved in immunizations also. Whether your
view is pro or con IMHO this is one of the situations where government
involvement would better serve the general public than many other situations
it is involved in.
I don't want the government involved any more than the next person but in
this situation I can find it easier to swallow that pill.
Sorry Leon, but that is not correct. Having been employed with public health
for 17+ years, I can assure you the enforcements are even stricter than
before. However, your observation that there has been a rise in the
incidents of childhood infectious disease is correct. If you look at the
demographic breakdown, you'll see that the rise is occuring due to illegal
migrants. The mexican, central and south american countries do not have the
same level of immunization laws and required compliance as America.
It's amazing, I wonder what people did before illegal immigration came along
to blame for all of society's woes...
Is there anything that can't be blamed on illegal immigration? I mean the
illegal folks didn't elect the criminal inhabiting the white house or invade
Iraq did they?
This isn't stuff made up to simply blame illegal immigrants, it is an
unfortunate reality. In our health district alone, it was becoming an almost
an overwhelming chase to try to track down the families of illegals to try
and get the kids immunized and to get TB testing done. In LA County there
were over 180 deaths last year due to measles; these outbreaks were
primarily among the unimmunized kids of illegals.
Dave Bugg (in jNKOg.71$ email@example.com) said:
| John Emmons wrote:
|| It's amazing, I wonder what people did before illegal immigration
|| came along to blame for all of society's woes...
| This isn't stuff made up to simply blame illegal immigrants, it is
| an unfortunate reality. In our health district alone, it was
| becoming an almost an overwhelming chase to try to track down the
| families of illegals to try and get the kids immunized and to get
| TB testing done. In LA County there were over 180 deaths last year
| due to measles; these outbreaks were primarily among the
| unimmunized kids of illegals.
This isn't exactly a new scenario. I think I recall reading that
immigrants brought the first cases of smallpox, cholera, and several
varieties of VD to the Americas - leading to hundreds of thousands of
deaths and the demise of at least one major culture.
DeSoto, Iowa USA
No, the "former" Cubans did (see election results - Florida)!
If you think Isreal's lobbying capacity and influence is pretty
powerful - check out the Anti-Castro Cuban American influence.
Wonder what they'll obsess on when Castro dies?
My first "hard liquor" drink was a Cuba Libre - in Panama. At least
"la revolucion" had one positive affect.
And who knows, maybe the illegals actually understand the meaning of the
word "criminal." From what is written above, it is obvious that you do not.
(who is amazed at how supposedly educated individuals throw loaded words
about with no regard to accuracy or truth)
Not trying to start an arguement here, but how would a SawStop have
helped you in the circumstances you describe? Or maybe you weren't
trying to make SS' case with your accident. It wasn't clear to me
which (nor was it in all the stuff I snipped).
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