I'm thinking of flying my little airplane to visit the Muncy, PA Grizzly
showroom (7+ hrs vs. 2 hrs., each way). I can fly into Williamsport,
which is ~ 7 miles from the showroom. If I really don't have to, I
would rather not rent a car to get from the airport to the showroom &
back. My alternatives are my bicycle and public transportation. A few
questions for those familiar with the area:
Are there decent (bicycle friendly) non-interstate roads connecting the
Williamsport area with the Grizz location? Mapquest and Delorme Street
Atlas aren't clear. I don't have a problem riding with cars, but six
lane, 55 MPH, divided roads can be a tad "challenging". <G> How's the
terrain? Flat, rolling hills, mountainous?
Is there decent public transportation, like a regularily scheduled
regional bus or light rail line?
Is there dependable taxicab service in Williamsport or Muncy?
The area is mostly large, rolling hills, with some of them fairly
steep. I always rented a car when I went, and seem to remember that
the distance from airport to the Grizzly building (near the shopping
mall) isn't particularly close and I used the interstate to get from
one place to the other. But again, even though I like bicycling, the
times I've been there I wasn't paying attention to pedaling distance,
or to whether there were secondary roads more conducive to biking.
There is no light rail I'm aware of, but there may be buses. The taxi
service, however, is quite dependable. They have a very nice little
airport, by the way.
Enjoy the trip. You'll find the showroom quite impressive.
B A R R Y wrote:
Try here: http://maps.google.com /
Type in 'muncy, pa'; select 'hybrid' button in the upper-right corner; use
the +- buttons in the upper-left; pan the image by holding down the left
mouse button and dragging.
I get a similar response when I call a restaurant and ask if they are
accessible and have a wheelchair accessible washroom on the premises. When
they're not sure about getting into the restaurant, I ask if there's any
steps to get inside. When they're not sure about the washroom, I ask if
they've noticed a stall that has a wider than normal door. When they say
they don't know, I then have to ask them to go to the washroom and look. I
often get passed to the manager at that point.
Unfortunately, Canada doesn't yet have an organization that comes close to
the clout of your ADA.
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:01:44 -0500, Upscale wrote:
Browsers for the blind are text only and rely on text to speech
conversion. There are online (free) services that will check your code for
conformity to established standards, including ADA.
Try these for starters:
Browsers unable to display Flash come up totally empty when trying to
display a Flash - only page. One especially bonehead stunt I've seen is to
use regular html / css for the bulk of a page but put the link to order
goods (in this case, tickets to an event) behind a Flash-generated button.
I'll leave you to consider the wisdom of putting a barrier of any sort
between a customers credit card and a checkout screen. The blind are not
the only ones not using Flash, BTW. Those who are a little more security
conscious than most also don't see the wisdom of allowing foreign code to
run locally whether with or without explicit permission. That includes
a lot of folks using Linux. I have three browsers installed. None of them
are allowed to interpret and run Flash.
Yeah, those are "courtesy cars". Disappearing with it for 5 or 6
hours might be considered rude, and you often can't reserve them in
The cars I'm familiar with are more for zipping into town for lunch or
package delivery / retrieval. Many wouldn't make it much farther than
town, but the price is right (gas)! <G>
One of my local airports has a 1980-something Grand Caravan (the old
squared style), complete with vinyl wood. The only place not rusted
is where the vinyl is. Some small operations will even toss you the
FBO owner's or an employee's personal keys for a quick errand.
Excellent suggestion, though!
Would you be kind enough to do a small flight detour to collect me in Edinburgh UK? We don't have anything like Grizzly stores, and especially not of the size you have in the US. Like another replier, I'm also a wheelchair user, hope you can accomodate that too? ;-))
Leg pull over! Hope you get your info, transport and visit organized? Good luck
On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 12:50:02 GMT, "John \(aka wheelzuk\)"
If I leave today, we could arrive at Grizzly sometime in April. I'd
also use enough avgas to fly you first class to JFK! <G>
Other than that, no problem! You wouldn't be the first wheelchair
user onboard, that's not an issue at all.
What time on Thursday would you like me to pick you up?
It'd be a pretty easy bike ride from the airport. It's mostly a 2 lane
road that has some 3 & 4 lane areas for passing. The airport is just
off this road. Mostly local traffic as Rt 180 runs parallel to this
road. I can't remember the exact number of hills, maybe 3 or 4 with
none of them very steep or long. For what it's worth, Grizzly is right
next to a Gander Mountain and a decent mall (Lycoming Mall).
I was at the Grizzly Muncy showroom a couple of weeks ago. I have been a
This place is typical of rural Pennsylvania. Expect to need a car to get
most places. I am not familiar with the Willamsport airport. The old
showroom was in Williamsport.
I do not think you would enjoy a bicycle ride between the airport and the
Maybe you need to put out another message asking if any of the "wreckers"
are visiting and when. If I were going to drive the 100 miles, it would not
be a problem to drive another 7 miles to pick someone up.
FWIW, I routinely ride 75 miles on my road bike and 3-4 hours on my
mountain bike here in New England. 7 miles isn't a big deal, except
maybe in the Rockies, Alps, or Sierras. <G> I have topo and road
maps so I can see the roads, I just didn't want to try to bike down
San Jose's El Camino Real, or Florida's Military Trail, both of which
look like mellow roads on maps. The local knowledge I was seeking
was more along the lines of the bike friendliness. For instance,
places like San Jose and Florida are flat, but the road design and
driving etiquette make for some heads-up riding. I can toss
"shopping clothes" in a small backpack, so I don't have to walk around
a machinery salesroom in Spandex. (bad visual, but the clothing is
We own two Dahon folding bikes that we keep with the plane for trips
to and from airports.
I actually had thought of offering lunch to someone willing to do just
that, along with a possible ride for a CT, western MA, or eastern NY
'wrecker who isn't afraid to fly and won't puke on my glare shield. I
just haven't developed the plan that far yet. The plane is going that
way anyway, and having someone to talk to doesn't burn more fuel, and
makes the ride more pleasant. The guy who volunteered in Edinburgh is
a tad out of the way, unfortunately.
Are you volunteering to be the car? 8^) I'll buy the lunch! Just be
warned that general aviation doesn't run on the same sort of schedule
as the airlines, so arriving @ 10:30'ish, could be 10, 11, or 1:30, or
of course, 10:30.
I did MS Streets and trips and it shows as 5.4 miles from airport on
local roads. Hell, you can walk that! :) If you are interested in a
quick touch down at Solberg (NJ), I'd be interested in coming along and
chipping in for gas & buying lunch. Muncy, PA. is 2 1/2 hour drive from
here; did it too many times when son was in school in Lewisburg (right
down the road). If we buy, I can run back with pickup truck and ferry
the stuff here.
Let me know,
Looking at the Google map the Williamsport regional airport is 1/2 a mile
south of Broad Street which becomes Lycoming Mall Road - a straight shot
according to the map. The Grizzly showroom is off this road. The terrain
is not difficult for a mountain biker like yourself, but the road is not
designed to cycling. You will be sharing with cars and most of this will
not have a hard shoulder.
I could be pursuaded to make another trip. Drop me an email and we can
discuss. You could even fly into a local grass style landing strip called
Flying M Aerodrome, but then you would have to put up with the 100 mile ride
to Muncy and back.
As for the spandex, I doubt the Grizzly folk would worry. I have seen all
sorts of people in the showroom, from suits to farmers.
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