On a sunny day (Sat, 16 Apr 2022 10:35:52 -0000 (UTC)) it happened RJH snipped-for-privacy@gmx.com wrote in <t3e668$vfh$ snipped-for-privacy@dont-email.me
The new Green computers will be powered by the cooling fans in reverse Just keep th'm in the wind.
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Commander Kinsey
ROFL! I sold a wind turbine to a yacht person. I wonder if it slowed down the yacht in an equivalent amount to the cups of coffee he brewed with it.
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RJH
It says everything. Less power for the same load - google Apple M1
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Commander Kinsey
I prefer things designed for adults.
I very much doubt Apple can beat Intel anyway.
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The Natural Philosopher
Hand wavey platitude.
In 1976 I got 50mpg out of my car. In 2020 I got 50 mpg...
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The Natural Philosopher
It says its just another ARM chip, invented *37 years ago* and used in every mobile phone...
ArtStudents? think Marketing is engineering. Bless!
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RJH
Nope. Apple Mac mini M1 power consumption is 3 times lower than Intel model: A testament of Apple Silicon's efficiency
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Really?
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Commander Kinsey
Yeah right, someone can make a better chip than Intel. ROTFPMSL!
Yes really. ART, not Engineering. Different mindset entirely.
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The Natural Philosopher
Oh dear. You are so ignorant you do not even know what and ARM chip is.
See above.
In your case yes.
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Max Demian
So not a slide rule. Either or both of you are in the company of Sam Cooke: #"Don't know what a slide rule is for."#
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Commander Kinsey
Get your OCD seen to by a doctor immediately, then come back and talk to the adults.
At no point did I say my link was a slide rule you f****ng moron.
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Jock
No breaking of any laws of physics involves, just better design.
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Jock
It isn't make do, it is vastly better. That's why there isn't a market for the old stuff anymore.
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Jock
Some of the time it is, most obviously with solid state disks, led lights, ECMs in cars, inductive charging etc etc etc.
Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it takes a radical breakthru like with flying, nuclear power etc etc etc.
And modern cars require far less tuning and are much more reliable than one that is 50 years old.
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Jimmy Farley
In 1979, my wife and I bought a new Ford Mustang. On the way home from the dealer, the engine stalled at every stoplight.
Fast forward to 2017 when I bought a new Ford Escape. Yup, you guessed it. On the way home from the dealer, the engine stalled at every stoplight.
Apparently the engineers couldn't keep the engine running at low RPM so the marketing department named the "feature" Auto Start/Stop technology.
( Seriously though, the Escape has been awesome. We plan to buy an Explorer soon. )
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Jock
Dunno, I have watch recent denials by Ford about their engines failing and wouldn't touch a Ford myself. I prefer Hyundais.
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Jasen Betts
It's not Apple vs Intel it's TSMC vs Intel.
Apple's processor is an ARM so it's going to be more efficient than intels X86
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rbowman
True, but possibly not the way you meant it. AMD is partnered with TSMC and the Zen 3+ design on TSMC 6nm capabilities is currently kicking Intel ass.
When comparing RISC to CISC you have to be careful to specify what area you're comparing for efficiency. Power consumption has been where RISC has shone. It took a while for compilers to catch up to create optimized code. Code size is necessarily greater, hence more RAM.
RISC designed like Atmel's AVR products are a lot more fun to program in assembler even if it does take more lines.
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Jan Panteltje
On a sunny day (Sat, 16 Apr 22 20:31:39 UTC) it happened Jimmy Farley snipped-for-privacy@fake.id wrote in snipped-for-privacy@news.usenet.farm>:
Lemme see, around 1973 I had a Ford Mustang V8 Cobra Special Never stalled at stoplights,.. Out of there fast :-)
Maybe saves fuel? With today's prices not a bad idea?
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The Natural Philosopher
In terms of power consumption, yes, but is that the be all and end all of 'efficiency'?
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