I was looking at a thread in UK.legal about using veggie oil in diesels and paying tax on the stuff and wondered if the posters on here had any comments on it.
I don't remember any announcement on the news about a new law and the government site:
- light goods vehicle users.
I believe that tax is no longer payable when produced for personnal use,there is a limit but not sure what that may be.There was a news item in the southwest just the other week about buying the kit for £700.00
This the article
Weatherlawyer ( snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com) gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying :
I posted in that thread, IIRC.
Simple. You buy it ready "produced"? You pay duty on it. You cook it yourself for your own use? Up to 2,500 litres dutyfree.
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Not a lot of help. Seems they don't want to let us all in on the secret.
The BBC article looks like its kosher. I was in an Asian grocers today and the cheapest oil they sell is the same price as diesel.
Looks like some lerts are hal Al.
Detailed information on this discussion group:
For the individual running their diesel vehicle on new vegetable oil, the act of pouring it into you tank is considered "production".
I wanted to verify this, so called the HMRC help line and had the above position confirmed to me.
group:
Pity that the vegetable oil retailers have realised the price of their product can be indexed top the price of diesel.
Who do I sue if it goes pear shaped for me?
Asda were selling veg oil at 1.69 for 3 litres a week or so back when I looked. Tesco were charging about the same. That's quite a saving over the cost of diesel.
Tesco and Asda prices have both gone up in the last week or so. Asda now £1.98, Tesco about the same iirc. The Range Rover (300tdi) was very slow to start yesterday and today with about 40% veggie oil - it's always been almost instant on derv, without using heater plugs, and it's smoking much worse than usual.
Then I read the first post in this thread:
But Nothing about How to Capitalise English.
What with that and the "dark blue on light blue" text, I'm not sure I can be arsed to wade through it.
Hmm, I'm currently looking after a 2.5 NA Landie that's behaving similarly.
Same here, for the winter at least. Perhaps prices will have dropped again by next summer.
It's a huge increase in the price of vegetable oil, which used to be around 21-23p a litre for rapeseed/sunflower/groundnut oils.
Nor how to put his foot on the clutch apparently, or slip it into neutral in the extremely unlikely event of an engine running away.
"Danger to life, YOU CAN'T SHUT IT DOWN" (his capitals, not mine)
He's probably related to that geezer driving a Scania artic a few years ago who claimed it was running away with him and he couldn't stop it. Pillock.
Steve
You were chucking vegetable oil straight into the tank of a direct injection engine and starting on it???
Did it have a Bosch injection pump?
Regardless of ring gumming problems, if the engine has a Lucas pump - received wisdom is that the life of the pump will be severely shortened, especially if cold started on veg.
A diesel that has decided to burn it's lubricating oil is not easy to shut down. Any of the normal fuel control systems are out of the loop. You either have to starve it of air or try and stall it.
With the first, do you want to be near an engine designed to run at 4,000 rpm max when it's climbing towards 10,000... Whilst trying to stuff something fairly solid and sealing well into the air intake, if you have something suitable and if you can access the intake.
The second you stand a chance but if the brakes, gearbox or more likely the clutch give up...
No you don't. An engine that is running on its own oil is toast anyway, so you just put it in neutral or declutch and let it destroy itself. No danger to life.
You'd have to be fairly stupid to attempt that. Just walk away. Problem solved.
Why would the clutch give up? It's not driving anything if you've got your foot on it, or if it's in neutral. And why would the brakes give up bringing a vehicle in neutral to a halt? Or the gearbox?
Steve
You do know about the failure mode of diesels when they're running on the oil in the engine, don't you? You need to stop the engine, which means stalling the thing. Clutch in or neutral = engine dies terminally.
cheers, clive
That depends on how it fails or are you saying that an engine running on it's own oil will *never* have a failure mode involving bits of high velocity metal?
Look at what I wrote "try and stall it", to avoid the high velocity metal scenario.
Not necessarily true. A friend of mine over-filled his Montego (Perkins DI TD unit), and that ran on its lubricating oil, sucked down the valve stems.
He just pulled onto the hard shoulder, and jammed the brakes on, and it stalled.
"Repair" was to crack open the injectors, turn it over until the oil was squirted out, and then re-tighten the injectors. He forgot this last bit to start off!
Pete.
Nice straw-clutching. No I'm not saying it will never, nor am I saying an asteroid will *never* land in my garden.
No you didn't. You wrote - "You either have to starve it of air or try and stall it. "
You don't.
Steve
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