An outside storage place is useful even if you have a fridge. The place
I lived at before now had a porch cupboard which was useful to keep old
potatoes which use up too much space in a fridge and which don't like to
be too cold - just a cool, dark place. I kept other root vegetables and
large bottles of cider there too, in the winter. My old potatoes are
sprouting like mad now. A good job Asda gave up their daft idea of not
selling loose potatoes (and carrots) recently.
Years ago, many houses were built with well-ventilated larders. My
Granny's kitchen had a larder on the shady side of the house, with a
wire box sticking out of its window, for keeping things cool - that's
where I learned the wet towel trick.
In the house that my parents build in 1956-7 there was a small larder,
which, though not on the north of the house, had a "window opening
covered in fine mesh" - to keep out the flies. There was also a tiled
concrete slab - "A pantry may contain a thrawl, a term used in
Derbyshire and Yorkshire, to denote a stone slab or shelf used to keep
food cool in the days before refrigeration was domestically available" -
though I never heard it referred to by that name, and I don't know how
it was described to the builder, or whether it served the purpose. They
eventually bought a refrigerator, though it was placed in the hall as
there was no room in the kitchenette.
I've seen old houses with kitchen storerooms lined with stone shelves.
I've not heard the term thrawl, though.
Now I'm curious - I think I'll poke around in my Scots dictionaries, to
see if I can find what they'd have been called in Granny's day.
In the days before keg beer and cooling systems landlords used Hessian
sacks soaked in water to to keep the casks cool on hot days.
May not reach the low "we market it this cold as refreshing but really
it is anathematize your taste buds because the taste is foul really"
temperatures found in recent years for some drinks but still cool
enough on a hot day to be appreciated.
On Sunday, 31 December 2017 01:56:20 UTC, T i m wrote:
The faster the wind blows, the faster heat is transferred from ambient to t
he water in the clothes. I've subjected clothes to some pretty strong winds
and afaik they've not frozen. I suppose if they did they'd thaw again almo
The same basic principle applies to evaporation, the faster the wind speed
the faster the evaporation. Fans dry clothes with a small fraction of the e
nergy use of heat. Whoever designs tumble dryers must be stuck in the 20th
century, they're abysmally slow and inefficient compared to their potential
. And they damage clothes more than necessary.
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 21:02:02 -0800 (PST), email@example.com wrote:
<snip> >The faster the wind blows, the faster heat is transferred from ambient to the water in the clothes.
So, for water to make the leap to vapour it must take energy from the
environment to do so. If that environment is open and therefore
potentially limitless then I could see that being the case. I'm not
sure how it might fair in an enclosed world (especially if the air was
True ... but isn't that only true because it moves the water vapour
away from the clothes and increase the supply of low level energy?
I wonder why they haven't made a wind turbine model though?
Would it have to be much bigger to get sufficient airflow ... and
sound like a jet taking off?
I now a fan + de-humidifier make for a good low energy clothes dryer
but the separation has to be done manually. Maybe you would need to
try the concept in one of those skydiving machines first? ;-)
Cheers, T i m
And of course at those thresholds it's a vicious circle. Increase the
wind speed and whilst that increases the amount of low level energy to
help the evaporation process, it also increases the evaporation
process that increases the chill factor (latent heat of vaporisation)
and in turn lowering the temperature in the water in the clothes.
So what we need is some way to heat some more heat energy into the
clothes to keep the temperature up and make them dry faster, even when
it's cold outside. ;-)
Cheers, T i m
We have a Bosch heat pump dryer. We like it* and it does the job it is
asked to do.
Downsides are initial cost, and the one we have doesn't reverse tumble*.
*You'd think that wouldn't be a problem - until you forget to button up
the duvet cover before drying it and end up with a twisted wet mass of
clothes inside it :(
It's a great deal better than the washer dryer we had before, but I
guess that's not saying much :)
Most of the complaints about heat pump dryers (apart from the cost) is
people saying they take longer to dry, I'm not convinced this is the
problem people make it out to be.
A "normal" load of say a bedding change (cotton) and a couple of
towels spun at 1600rpm dries in about 2.5 hours. AFAICS this is about
on par with a non heat pump machine.
I guess spinning at a lower speed or putting m,ore stuff in will greatly
affect drying time.
I believe that like some freezers, Heat Pump driers aren't able to cope
with winter garage temperatures which might be where some of the more
extreme non-drying times are quoted as I'd suspect there's a very large
percentage of UK residents that have both washing machine and
tumbledrier in the garage or some form of un-heated utility room.
It's something manufacturers haven't (as far as I'm aware) taken into
consideration when detailing the location requirements.
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