Time for a re-re-think about PSTN/POTS?

[The Natural Philosopher]

I am sure if the people clubbed together to put in ducts, it would all come in that way.

[Andy Burns]

used to be, it's a bus company now

[The Natural Philosopher]

I dont.

Well the vast majority of it, anyway.

FTTP is cheaper to provide than copper, and the current high prices charged are to generate the cash to install yet more.

We've had our roads dug up something rotten in the last few years and now there is a bloody great scar across the landscape where they are burying huge pipes. I assume for gas, They are blue.

Oh, blue would make it water.

[Robin]

BT is just as private as Virgin. AIUI the underlying difference is that Ofcom decided BT Openreach has what they call "Significant Market Power" (like market domination). Plus other providers weren't much interested in using Virgin's ducts (even in places where BT have none).

[The Natural Philosopher]

Mine is too for the last 20 feet. I am privileged, I have my own electricity substation and my own fibre pole!

everything else is underground

[The Natural Philosopher]

or use a 4G/5G modem

[Robin]

ditto for Hyperoptic here.

And I was left wondering if there's a protocol to manage Openreach and Hyperoptic wanting to work on the same pole at the same time. My cherry picker is bigger...?

[David Wade]

I would hope the price would come down. Their digital voice is very well priced compared to BT

Dave

[Tim Lamb]

snip

Huh! I have my own Thames Water sewage pumping station!

[Max Demian]

You mean like Virgin do with cables in green corrugated sheaths laid across the ground?

[The Natural Philosopher]

Fuck that., I raise you a private sewage treatment plant. Owned by ME!

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[SH]

Oh, you mean a septic tank? :-)

[charles]

or, as at my daughter's last house, simply thrown over the hedge

[alan_m]

Even it there it no analogue phone capability on your copper owned BT/Openreach line there may/will still be a line rental charge for it to carry your broadband. Digital Voice from Zen is also a 1000 minute call package.

[The Natural Philosopher]

I do not! They are no longer legal on new builds. I mean a full dyed in the wool discharge to a watercourse approved sewage treatment plant.

[SH]

Oh you mean a klargester..... :-)

[Tim Lamb]

[David Wade]

If you don't have a line how can they charge for it? They are selling what they call SoGEA which is more expensive than FTTC but cheaper that FTTC plus line.

In any case the discussion was about being moved to FTTP in which case there is no copper...

Dave

[Peter Able]

Who wrote 9MBPS ADSL? Not me. When this village was ADSL only I could get about 3Mbps. My neighbours were well below 1Mbps. I got quite a reputation as the guy who knew how to rearrange their bungled installations - bringing them up to 3Mbps.

I call it a comms ghetto service right across Mobile signals, ADSL or FTTC. It is all very marginal around here. Heaven knows what will happen when 3G disappears and/or if Vodafone and Three merge.

PA

[Fredxx]

Aren't you allowed to dump raw sewage into a watercourse every time it rains?