This will upset Harry

[whisky-dave]

Cheddar Man: DNA shows early Briton had dark skin

[T i m]

"Pale skin probably arrived in Britain with a migration of people from the Middle East around 6,000 years ago. This population had pale skin and brown eyes and absorbed populations like the ones Cheddar Man belonged to."

Looks like we have always had people migrating around the world, who would have thought it eh?

Cheers, T i m

[dennis]

We already know harry is a foreigner as are all the other brexiteers.

We know this because everyone in the UK is descended from an immigrant.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Quite. But you can see the results of pure breeding in the likes of Rees Mogg. ;-)

[pamela]

I seem to recall that the closest descendants to the original Britons are now found in Wales. Many in today's upper classes are descended from the Normans.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Which would explain them hating the French. ;-)

[David]

Looks as though the first population had black skin and blue eyes. Also a migration from the Middle East.

So in reality it was more or less "Hello, I'm your new (white) neighbour!".

Damn, there goes the neighbourhood.

Assuming there was a minimal level of literacy did they have signs "No Whites or Irish!"? Joke for those of a certain age. :-)

The article I read suggested that white genes gradually prevailed because white skin was an advantage in low levels of sunlight due to the need for sunlight on the skin to generate essential vitamins.

After me. "What we need is a great big melting pot".

Cheers

Dave R

[whisky-dave]

You forgot about chickens, or was it dogs.

I have noticed more peole having the varigated skin colour a spanish friend s hands have started to go more white in the last few years and a women on the checkouts face has done the same so I do wonder whether such a thing ca n happen in the lifetime of an indivual, due to beiong here.

That line always scarred me as a kid, made me think the world might end up like china where everyone dressed the same, owning the same clothes same bi ke etc..

and it only has one time zone, but then so do we.

[harry]

nds hands have started to go more white in the last few years and a women o n the checkouts face has done the same so I do wonder whether such a thing can happen in the lifetime of an indivual, due to beiong here.

p like china where everyone dressed the same, owning the same clothes same bike etc..

If you had traveled much in the tropics, you'd know that fashionable women walk in the shade and hold a magazine up to shade their face from the sun w hen they leave it. Also the "beauty shops" are full of skin lightening creams.

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[whisky-dave]

iends hands have started to go more white in the last few years and a women on the checkouts face has done the same so I do wonder whether such a thin g can happen in the lifetime of an indivual, due to beiong here.

up like china where everyone dressed the same, owning the same clothes sam e bike etc..

I guess the isle of wight doesn't count.

to >shade their face from the sun when they leave it.

SO why do so many white peole spend so much time in teh sun trying to get a tan, and why do so many essex girls spend so much time and money in tannin g salons ?

Well I guess that's a bit of a difficult question for anyone.

But do yuo know how and why tanning became popular and again why it didn't.

I think it was when you were a boy most men worked out in the fields and i n the open so got very tanned and tanned people were thought of as working/ lower class so only the upper class and the rich could afford to stay out o f the sun so were very pale skinned. As time went on this reversed as worki ng class people started to spend more time indoors working in offices and t he like and a pure white complection came to be seen as not being the corre ct colour and even beening seen as ill or anemic probbley in-breeding amoun st the elite didn't help. So then the 'poor' started to think that a tanned skin was healthy and that could only be achived by the relatively affluent, that could afford to go abroad for holidays.

A simialar thing as happens to size and weight previously being fat or just large meant you were wealthly and could afford to eat when you wanted and as much as you wanted, now this isnlt true and the fatest and largets tend to be the poor, while the well off stay slim on varied diets superfoods and cosmetic surgery.

[Harry Bloomfield]

pamela formulated on Wednesday :

Wales, Scotland and I think Cornwall.

[harry]

friends hands have started to go more white in the last few years and a wom en on the checkouts face has done the same so I do wonder whether such a th ing can happen in the lifetime of an indivual, due to beiong here.

nd up like china where everyone dressed the same, owning the same clothes s ame bike etc..

up to >shade their face from the sun when they leave it.

a tan, and why do so many essex girls spend so much time and money in tann ing salons ?

in the open so got very tanned and tanned people were thought of as workin g/lower class so only the upper class and the rich could afford to stay out of the sun so were very pale skinned. As time went on this reversed as wor king class people started to spend more time indoors working in offices and the like and a pure white complection came to be seen as not being the cor rect colour and even beening seen as ill or anemic probbley in-breeding amo unst the elite didn't help.

at could only be achived by the relatively affluent, that could afford to g o abroad for holidays.

st large meant you were wealthly and could afford to eat when you wanted an d as much as you wanted, now this isnlt true and the fatest and largets ten d to be the poor, while the well off stay slim on varied diets superfoods a nd cosmetic surgery.

It is another issue. Women are never satisfied.

[harry]

Are they black too?

[The Natural Philosopher]

...now f*ck off.

What the hell does it matter what happened 10,000 years ago.

What matters is what is happening now

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[The Natural Philosopher]

Or whatever. C.f. Michaeel Jackson ended up several whiter shades of pale after some 'treament' and in India the lighter the skin the more class you have with seriously dusky Tamils bing practically 'untouchable'.

Remember the real racists are the non-whites these days. Or in the Labour party.

[Chris]

And if you believe that, you'll believe anything. Like that Sikh bloke on that Discover Your Ancestry advert claiming he's a Viking LOL. :-D

[Cursitor Doom]

Yup. Non-whites, or Communists/Antifa, or both.

[Cursitor Doom]

Probably. ;->

[The Natural Philosopher]

On 07/02/18 16:56, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

Well those are where the Celts ended up.

But they were not the original inhabitants IIRC.

"The earliest inhabitants of Britain for whom there is compelling evidence are bands of hunters living in Southern and Western England during the Hoxnian interglacial (about 380,000 to 400,000 BC). (Some very recent excavations of stone tools on the East Anglian coastline suggest human presence as early as 700,000 years ago). However, as temperatures again dropped, Britain was abandoned. Although there are signs of human habitation during later interglacials, it was not until roughly 14,000 years ago that occupation became permanent."

So these blue eyed dark skinned wogs were not the first inhabitants of Britain, coming in after the last ice age....10000 years ago - 4000 years after the re-colonisation of Britain at the end of the last ice age.

A fact that multiculti BBC conveniently fails to mention...

¨The earliest evidence of human occupation around 900,000 years ago is at Happisburgh on the Norfolk coast, with stone tools and footprints probably made by Homo antecessor. The oldest human fossils, around 500,000 years old, are of Homo heidelbergensis at Boxgrove in Sussex."

So its all bollocks anyway. # "The Younger Dryas was followed by the Holocene, which began around

11,700 BP,[18] and continues to the present. There was then limited occupation by Ahrensburgian hunter gatherers, but this came to an end when there was a final downturn in temperature which lasted from around 11,400 to 11,200 BP. Mesolithic people occupied Britain by around 11,000 BP, and it has been occupied ever since.[19] By 8000 BC temperatures were higher than today, and birch woodlands spread rapidly,[20] but there was a cold spell around 6,200 BC which lasted about 150 years.[21] The plains of Doggerland were thought to have finally been submerged around 6500 to 6000 BC,[22] but recent evidence suggests that the bridge may have lasted until between 5800 and 5400 BC, and possibly as late as 3800 BC.[23] The warmer climate changed the arctic environment to one of pine, birch and alder forest; this less open landscape was less conducive to the large herds of reindeer and wild horse that had previously sustained humans. Those animals were replaced in people's diets by pig and less social animals such as elk, red deer, roe deer, wild boar and aurochs (wild cattle), which would have required different hunting techniques. Tools changed to incorporate barbs which could snag the flesh of an animal, making it harder for it to escape alive. Tiny microliths were developed for hafting onto harpoons and spears. Woodworking tools such as adzes appear in the archaeological record, although some flint blade types remained similar to their Palaeolithic predecessors. The dog was domesticated because of its benefits during hunting, and the wetland environments created by the warmer weather would have been a rich source of fish and game. It is likely that these environmental changes were accompanied by social changes. Humans spread and reached the far north of Scotland during this period. Sites from the British Mesolithic include the Mendips, Star Carr in Yorkshire and Oronsay in the Inner Hebrides. Excavations at Howick in Northumberland uncovered evidence of a large circular building dating to c. 7600 BC which is interpreted as a dwelling. A further example has also been identified at Deepcar in Sheffield, and a building dating to c. 8500 BC was discovered at the Star Carr site. The older view of Mesolithic Britons as nomadic is now being replaced with a more complex picture of seasonal occupation or, in some cases, permanent occupation. Travel distances seem to have become shorter, typically with movement between high and low ground.

Wheat of a variety grown in the middle East was present on the Isle of Wight at the Bouldnor Cliff Mesolithic Village dating from about 8,000 BP.[24]

"In 1997, DNA analysis was carried out on a tooth of Cheddar Man, human remains dated to c. 7150 BC found in Gough's Cave at Cheddar Gorge. His Mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) belonged to Haplogroup U5. Within modern European populations, U5 is now concentrated in North-East Europe, among members of the Sami people, Finns, and Estonians. This distribution and the age of the haplogroup, indicate that individuals belonging to U5 were among the first people to resettle Northern Europe, following the retreat of ice sheets from the Last Glacial Maximum, about 10,000 years ago. It has also been found in other Mesolithic remains in Germany, Lithuania, Poland, Portugal, Russia,[25] Sweden,[26] France[27] and Spain.[28] Members of U5 may have been one of the most common haplogroups in Europe, before the spread of agriculture from the Middle East.[29]"

Guess what. That is *the same man* who today in BBC fake news, has just been announced to be culuturally conevniently BLACK!

And Estonian!

Post that period - these Nordic hunter garherers seem to have been pushed out and replaced by the 'Beaker People'

"Changes in Neolithic culture could have been due to the mass migrations that occurred in that time. A 2017 study showed that British Neolithic farmers had formerly been genetically similar to contemporary populations in the Iberian peninsula, but from the Beaker culture period onwards, all British individuals had high proportions of Steppe ancestry and were genetically more similar to Beaker-associated people from the Lower Rhine area. The study argues that more than 90% of Britain's Neolithic gene pool was replaced with the coming of the Beaker people.[34]

In any case, the Neolithic Revolution, as it is called, introduced a more settled way of life and ultimately led to societies becoming divided into differing groups of farmers, artisans and leaders. Forest clearances were undertaken to provide room for cereal cultivation and animal herds. Native cattle and pigs were reared whilst sheep and goats were later introduced from the continent, as were the wheats and barleys grown in Britain. However, only a few actual settlement sites are known in Britain, unlike the continent. Cave occupation was common at this time."

So basically when you acttually do the research, this bit of 'news' is 'fake news' put there to influence social thinking. And the usual suspects have fallen for it.

The reality is that Britain has been invaded time and again and up to the end of te last ice agre, the people resident all f***ed off again or died out.

The Cheddar man was neither the earliest post glacial inhabitant, nor was he necessarily dark skinned. All that is known is that his DNA is close fo moderm Finnish and Estonian, who are not dark skinned...

And he wa ssuperseded by beakler pepole who oroginated from SE Europe/Middel East probably and who may have been 'Celts'

They were conquered by Romans and then supplanted by angles saxons and jutes in the south and Danes in the North, before being smashed to bits and colonised by the Normans, who were Norse/French...

Of course this is only pertonment to the racists on the Left. Like T i m

The Right doesn't care where you come from or what colour you are, just whether or not you are prepared to fit in with the existing culture.

Being British isnt a matter of ethnic origin or skin colour. Its about how you behave.

Lewis Hamilton is more British than T i m will ever be.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Says the one who wants us out of the EU and hasn't got a clue what the future will bring...