Suppose that you had diabetes, high blood pressure, arthritis, & depression...

[David P]

...How many years of that condition would you like to endure? As many as you could get?

[Brian Gaff]

Have you a new job with a medical insurance company or what?

Suppose you had a tendency to over think every sodding thing, how many years would your friends tolerate it before killing you? grin. Brian

[tim...]

are you generating some sort of survey

It helps if you are honest

tim

[The Natural Philosopher]

Not that many to be honest.

You forgot COPD.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Surely all of those can be controlled by suitable medication or treatment? Apart from possibly arthritis.

[David P]

My dad had all of those, and more, was taking 6-8 meds a day, for 5 years or so. Suffered greatly, you couldn't make him smile or laugh...

[The Natural Philosopher]

Ive got all of them and more, but very mildly.

Prolly got ten reasonable years left

[tabbypurr]

diabetes, to some extent. BP, to some extent. arthritis, to some extent. depression not really. Maybe because it's not a chemical problem.

NT

[Steve Walker]

Osteo-arthritis, somewhat, but the damage and pain can be too bad to respond to anything other than highly addictive, prescription only painkillers that the body becomes used to and needs ever increasing doses. Once you reach the safe limit, you have nowhere to go.

Rheumatoid-arthritis - we'll see. My wife is suffering from it and so far, seven months of various meds have made no improvement, but left her chronically fatigued and unable to function much of the time.

Reactive depression is despression in response to something that has happened in life and responds best to dealing with that event or series of events or with coping mechanisms to "get over it" or at least not focus on it.

Clinical depression is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain and medications can make a huge difference.

SteveW

[Levi Jones]

Fraid not. It killed a mate of mine eventually and spent most of his last few years in and out of hospital a hell of a lot and could barely move around his house. They kept cutting off the bits that wouldn?t heal and eventually he ended up with a wooden leg and that?s very common with diabetics.

[The Natural Philosopher]

All of those can be controlled by medication but not cured, and te medication has knock on effects.

Statins lead to diabetes for example severe muscle pain cramps and fatigue. And its becomeoing fairly cplear they domnt actually do anything useful.

Blood pressure meds destroy the kidneys.

Apsirin gives you ulcers. Nitroglycerin gives you splitting headches. Amplodipine causes extreme mental weirdness. Losartan causes rashes. Beta blockers make you lethargic and stupid.

All will f*ck up your kidneys.

Use of steroids to control inflammation can cause blindness.

Metformin to control diabetes has serious issues.

With chronic diseases that dont kill you, life is 8 pills a day, constant pain and mild disability, and trying to balance the side effects of one pill with another one.

Depression is merely another cehmical side effect.

Old age is utter shit really.

[The Natural Philosopher]

Yup. Wildly osciallting blood glucose levels kill te body. Its very very hard to control type 1 to withn reassonbable limits. Look at Theresa May. Seruious mental impairment there.

Type II diabetes seems to be the root cause of a LOT of other rubbish - heavily implicated in heart qand artery disease and autoimmune disreases.

According to a clinician, the answer is simple. Treat all carbohydrates

- sugars, fruits, starches, alcohol - as poison and dont eat them, learn to live off meat, fat and leafy vegetables.

Fat doesn't make you fat. Carbohydrates do.

The corelation between life expectancy and carbohydrates is marked. THAT is why 'poor people' die young. Because they live on cheap shit that is full of carbohydtates.

Type II diabetes is prevalent in the tropics where extremely sugary fruits - mangoes, and the like - are prevalent.

The list of chronic conditions you may develop that dont kill you very fast - feel free to add - that are not really fixable with medication. Just retardable, at a heavy cost in side effects.

Vascular dementia Alzheimers COPD in all its various flavours Type II diabetes. This may be reversible with drastic dietary changes Arterial degradation. Heart degradation (valves etc) Arthritis - this just makes you wish you were dead. Prostate cancer. Renal failure.

Non fatal conditions

Dozens of ways to lose your sight, and hearing Dozens of auto immune diseases that just hurt massively.

[tabbypurr]

no it isn't. The evidence does not back that view. Even the pharma companies don't claim that's the case, they use the word 'may'. Doctors claim it's so to get patient compliance.

They tend to make depression go on long term rather than run its course & end.

NT

[Chris Hogg]

+1 Been doing that for the last twenty years - minimal 'hard carbs' (rice, bread, cakes, spuds, pasta) apart from alcohol. Relaxed a bit since my wife died, as she will no longer need my support as her Parkinson's deteriorates, so if I go t*ts-up now it doesn't really matter.

+1 But remember it's basically too many calories that make you fat, rather than the source of those calories. Carbs tend to be sweetened (sugary cakes, buns, etc) to make them even more appealing.

The island of Nauru, in the western Pacific, was diabetes-free until about the last fifty years. Then the western died came in, with sugary drinks, sweets etc and the inhabitants got fat, very fat, and suddenly diabetes became very common, whereas there was none before. Other Pacific islands have also gone that way. Sugary fruits were never that plentiful. It's the introduction of a western diet rather than sugary fruits that's responsible.

[The Natural Philosopher]

No, it isn't.

Too many calories AND carbohydrates make you fat.

If you eat nothing but non carbohydrate calories that fat doesnt get turned to fat ...

Pacific islands no, but carribean and india and central africa yes, very,

Mango, paw paw, pineapple, sugra cane ...

[Levi Jones]

Not all of them can, particularly with reactive depression and arthritis.

Hasn?t happened with me.

Bullshit.

Mine are fine.

Didn?t with me.

Didn?t with me.

None of that happens with most.

Bullshit.

Hardly ever happens.

Bullshit.

Bullshit.

Bullshit.

Then do the decent thing and top yourself.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

Meds are often not the best way to treat depression, on their own.

I know several diabetics. Under control, that doesn't seem to effect mood.

[Chris Hogg]

So what happens to the extra calories that you ingest, over and above those burnt off by exercise, staying alive etc?

[Levi Jones]

It does with some as I observed with my mate whose diabetes killed him eventually.

[Chris Hogg]

High levels of glucose in the blood causes glycation* of arteries and capillaries, leading to their deterioration, and eventual failure of the tissues (muscles etc) that they supply. The levels of sugar in the blood can be controlled by diet, and after that, by medication, usually tablets in the early stages and later by insulin injections. But once the damage to the blood vessels has been done, it's not reversible AFAIK.