Strange Ceiling rose/light fitting

[Charles F]

Hi All,

I'm involved with a local charity, and we need to move a couple of fluorescent fittings at their premises that appear to have been wired from ceiling roses, and to extend the cables as fitted.

I assumed this installation was a conversion from pendants, but it's before my time.

Having taken the cover off one of the assumed roses I found it wasn't what I expected - there was another plastic moulding underneath. I've taken two photos - no 1 is the rose as it appeared before being disturbed, and no 2 is what I found underneath.

The inner plastic moulding doesn't appear to unscrew, unclip, unplug or otherwise detach from the base, and has no fixings visible. I havn't tried too hard at present, as I don't want to break anything.

Does anyone know what these are, and how to get into them? The ceiling fixtures were apparently done by a firm of shop fitters, in case that's relevant.

Thanks, Charles F

[Bob Eager]

You're in luck. I fitted those to my ceilings. Easy peasy, and very useful.

Push the rectangular thung along its long axis (try both ways until it moves). It will click, and come away (it's attached by three hook-like contacts).

Rewire it with a longer cable and reattach.

[Andy Burns]

They should slide then pull-out

[charles]

It's a plug!. It should come out if you slide it, but I can't rememeber which way. It should be obvious when you're there.

[Charles F]

Thanks to all three of you - that's just the information I needed!

Charles F

[ARW]

But will it click or Klik? (the Hager trade name for their brand of plug in ceiling roses). Although as you say, it's not so much as a plug in as a push along.

[ARW]

It's always the opposite way to the way that you try first:-)

Sometimes needs a bit of a knock.

[Charles F]

Now I know what it does I can be a bit more definite. Thanks for the tip though

Charles F

[Dave Plowman (News)]

It's a variation on the old ceiling master rose - designed for chandeliers. A sort of plug and socket arrangement - except it slid out sideways. To allow easy safe removal of the chandelier for cleaning.

[GB]

It's quite expensive. Why would they have used it? Some regs? Or they just thought it would come in handy?

[charles]

It allows quick access to a fitting without having to isolate the supply. Quite important when you have a number of fittings controlled by one light switch.

Often used when a false ceiling is involved. The permanent wiring is fixed to to the permanaent bit of the building before the ceiling is installed. You only need single hand access to the plug/socket combination - it can be undone/done up by feel without having to get your head and arms through an access trap/ ceiling tile ...

[Huge]

I used them on our landing in the last house. My wife chose lampshades that in combination with the relatively low ceilings and hence short leads from the ceiling roses meant that you couldn't change a light bulb without first removing the shade. It was much easier just to unplug the whole thing from the ceiling and change the bulb on the ground.

[spuorgelgoog]

and because electricians and ceiling fitters can't coordinate their work accurately enough in 3 dimensions for conduit drops direct to the luminaires to be used :-)

Owain

[Bob Eager]

I put them on most of our ceilings for that reason. yes, they cost more, but in the scheme of things...

[harry]

You have one of these.

[ARW]

Depends on what you call expensive. It's about £3 per light fitting,

[ARW]

What complete bollocks.

[Bob Eager]

I think it's worth every penny. Especially when SWMBO decodes she wants a different light fitting. We have 9ft ceilings.

[ARW]

That's not high:-) I recently swapped a couple of lamps on a 6.5m high ceiling.

[Bob Eager]

Yes, but I'm a wimp! Fiddling around with little brass screws on a normal ladder is a pain.