To have a signed document that can be forensically tested to show age of paper, age of ink, probable era when the signature applied (depth the ink has penetrated). If you want to rely on an electronic sig (which could have been scraped off any electronic doc), then the more fool you.
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charles
because it's impossible, so far, to send goods by email,
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SteveW
Because a signed for delivery has a legal force, that many other forms of communication do not. In fact, even a non-signed for delivery can - you are automatically deemed to have received police and court letters that have been psosted.
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alan_m
What are signed for deliveries these days? When I've been asked to sign for a (RM) delivery I'm offered a 4 inch touch screen and I may as well write an X on the screen. The screen is too small for a signature with a finger and too slow to react to see what you are scribing. I doubt if anyone puts a recognisable signature. Deliver it to some other address and the recipient puts an X as a signature then as far as RM is concerned it has been delivered correctly. In my experience even when a photo is taken its only a photo of the package and maybe a non-descript pavement, no house number in the photo and no picture of the recipient.
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SteveW
Which is the whole point. RM are failing in their duty. Without proof of a proper signature, a photo of the recipient or at the bare minimum, a photo proving the correct address. How can there be proof of delivery, that might later be needed in court?
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Vladimir Putin
Jesus, just what line of work are you in?
My mortgage company sent me something signed for, they sent it normal post when I refused it and complained.
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Vladimir Putin
Communication. Look it up.
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Vladimir Putin
You have OCD, go see a doctor.
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Vladimir Putin
Some of them also won't take a fingernail. Odd, my phone does. The pad of your finger is way too big to write with. Try fingerpainting a signature.
It helped me find where my parcel had been delivered by mistake, by the pattern on the front door.
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Vladimir Putin
I can't see how that can be true.
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Vladimir Putin
Proof of delivery is pointless. Just because I received the envelope doesn't mean I read it. Unless I respond to it, you've proved nothing. It's like those stupid email received responses Outlook does. I really pissed people off at my work by forwarding all my work email to my private email, so I could read both together. This resulted in them getting a "your email was deleted without being read".
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Vladimir Putin
And how do you suggest someone who works 9-5 would sign for it?
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SteveW
As they used to before COVID. Another member of the household signs on their behalf or they take a trip to the local postal depot, show ID and sign for it, usually at the weekend.
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alan_m
Before Covid it was still the 4 inch touch screen to put the rubbish signature which wouldn't identify anyone and the photo just showing the package/letter with no location content. The Covid restrictions seem to have been lifted, at least in my area, for signed for RM post.
My local postal depot has reduced the hours when they are open to 4 (closed Sunday). 7 years ago when I was still working I could collect items after work but now I would be unable to collect mid-week. The queue to collect after 6pm was often long, mainly because they didn't have a sensible system. Present the "you were out card" and they would look something up on the computer but then spend 5 to 10 minutes searching "out the back" for your item.
Luckily I've not had to collect anything for some time but I do wonder how long the queue is on a Saturday with those who work not being able to fit the mid-week opening times.
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SteveW
For years, our local office was only open 07:30 to 12:15 Monday to Saturday - I started work at 7:30, 12 miles away during the week. On Saturdays, it was nigh on impossible to park. They actually had some designated customer parking in the yard, but after a staff member was hit by a reversing vehicle, they banned the public from driving into the yard at all! The office was so tiny, that the queue of customers continued outside, no matter what the weather.
Post-COVID, they have changed the hours, so they are now open 'til
17:30. The also have a new, larger office. Parking is still just as bad.
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Vladimir Putin
And if both people work?
If you're going out at the weekend?
If you want not to have an up to 5 day delay?
Not fit for purpose.
They get sent back.
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Vladimir Putin
Dafuq? There have been no nanny state covid restrictions for years.
It was quite fun to walk towards people and see them repelled like a magnet. I had great fun with a Tesco worker.
I went there once and they wanted a passport for ID, I told her to shove it where the sun don't shine. The card indicates I came from the house they tried to deliver it to!
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Vladimir Putin
To get to my local PO I have to park illegally. Usually get away with it.
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