So that's why all this puff about the 'hydrogen economy'
Oct 19, 2020 Last reply: 5 years ago 92 Replies
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Tim+
Do you think that the government isn?t going to tax the f*ck out of petrol and diesel over the next 10 years? The one thing you can be certain of is that petrol and diesel use will be penalised more heavily.
Of course they will find new ways of taxing vehicle use, probably on the NZ model based on mileage driven as this won?t hit those using power for heating/lighting etc.
Meanwhile, until they do, I?m happy to take advantage of it.
Tim
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The Natural Philos>>
Sad when you can?t even remember the lies that you tell...
Tim
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Jimk
"Leading a study"?
Is that you're asking for quotes? Or do you have people to talk to their people?
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Tim Streater
S*it, how should I know. One of the jobs for which, at home, they give you a subsidy. Looks like a parking meter.
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The Natural Philosopher
You have repeated the lie.
I never said where were no evs capable of over 200 miles, I said that in tests I didn't *think* any had achieved that. As it happened I was wrong, but not lying.
Whereas when you *claimed* as *fact* there were 'plenty that did between
240 and 280 miles; you were as there are none that *reliably* do.
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Tim+
For ?many? read ?extremely few?. 7kW AC charging is the minimum on all new and recent EVs. It?s also the maximum for most as they mostly use DC charging for higher rates.
Bit like the case with diesel cars then? Always used to cost more but the lower running costs made them worthwhile. It?s a lot of new tech and it?s selling in smaller numbers. Prices inevitably are higher at the moment. They will come down.
Tim
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Andy Burns
Is the green table at the bottom of this page wrong, then?
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The Natural Philosopher
No, but it isn't relevant, either.
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Andy Burns
It would be in terms of TimL thinking he could fast-charge, simply because he has 3ph, when not many cars could take it.
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The Natural Philosopher
I think that page only applies to their *built in* chargers or the POS that is being advertised there.
I do not know how a fast charger interfaces to a typical car, but I do know that I can charge my aircraft batteries in an hour, or less if I don't mind possibly damaging them.
It is all about how you regulate the Vs and Is into them . And, given that the only decent electric car there - the Jaguar I pace - has a
90kWh battery, 7kW is not going to cut the mustard at a public charging point is it?
Of all the issue with leccy cars, the inability of the domestic mains to piss out more than 7kW at a time is neither here not there. That one CAN be solved with better engineering,
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Andy Burns
yes, but unless you're paying to use a DC fast charger, that's what you're likely to be using.
yes ignore the POS, I just happened to be looking if there were 2ph "chargers" available (people think of the thing they have on the wall at home as a charger, it's not, it's just an EVSE which is a glorified relay to turn on/off the AC to the car safely, and tell the car how much current it's allowed, the actual charger is in the car).
DC straight to the battery (200A @ 750V max) the smarts is in the fast charger, rather than in the car in this case.
Most of the charging points you see in car parks, and on-street are simply AC, not DC fast charge, those ones on motorway services with a cable as thick as a petrol pump hose.
I don't think it's a huge problem if you do have off-street parking 7kW x 12 hours or whatever should re-charge most cars.
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Tim+
Okay, maybe more than I thought but I think it?s out of date and includes a lot of hybrids as opposed to full BEVs. No need for a 7kW charger on a hybrid. Many of the other BEV cars are rare in Europe.
Pretty much all new BEVs will charge at 6.6-7kW. (I suspect they all have the same components, it?s just down to 220/240V differences).
Tim
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Tim+
Indeed. A few companies only fit fast AC chargers to their cars (The Renault Zoe for example) but the majority won?t charge faster than 7kWh.
Tim
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